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LeSS in the
big bank:
a five-year
journey
Denis Tuchin
Denis Tuchin
• Scrum Master since 2011
• Agile Coach since 2014
• LeSS Coach since 2017
• 6 own LeSS-like cases (20 teams)
• Mentor of 10 other LeSS groups
• 2021-2022 LeSS Huge case (28 teams)
The story of part of
the big bank agile transformation
•100+ tribes
•1000+ products
•3000+ Agile teams
Agenda
• Business Benefits of LeSS Framework – How to sell it?
• What to do with the "extra" leaders?
• What needs to change in the reward system to achieve
results?
Business
Benefits of
LeSS
Is Scrum flexible enough?
When the Scrum comes into the big product (typical case)
Team
(7±2)
Team
(7±2)
Team
(7±2)
Team
(7±2)
Product Owner Product Owner Product Owner
Product Owner
Product
Backlog
Product
Backlog
Product
Backlog
Product
Backlog
Urgent work appears
Angry Manager who is responsible for the product
Team Team Team Team
True Product Owner
LeSS Framework suggest
Single Product
Single Backlog
LeSS Framework
LeSS Huge
LeSS Framework suggest
With a single Product Backlog,
you can be sure
each team is working
on the most important task
Example: Bank deposits mobile app
Manager who is responsible for product
Deposit Opening Deposit Closing
Single Backlog
Deposit Opening Deposit Closing
True Product Owner
Business people like this because
they can change priorities every sprint
Happy Product Owner
What to do with “Team POs“?
True PO
Team PO Team PO Team PO Team PO
Don’t be hasty in firing extra managers
• One company did away with the Team Lead role
• It suggested Team Leads change the position
• Team Leads felt they were demoted
• Most Team Leads quit
• Teams were not mature to coordinate their own work or
make architectural decisions
• Managers must delegate their responsibilities and
power smoothly.
Role of Manager in
LeSS Framework
What about real cases?
1. Dealing with Dev/Tech/Team Leads
2. Dealing with Team Product Owners
What if Dev/Tech/Team Lead is against LeSS?
• Gives sound objections, but ready to
discuss how to resolve these
• Makes dubious arguments against
change and he is unwilling to discuss
these
• Treathens others that everything
will break down after changes or
after his dismissal
Two categories of managers
What to do with them?
Series of one-on-one meetings (1-5)
• Understands the value of change and
becomes an ambassador among the
teams
• Becomes a dedicated Scrum Master
or a community (competence) leader
• Stays on own point of view and
avoids you
• You have to fire him or her leaves
himself after the transformation
Teams’ performance was grown
What to do with “Team POs“?
True PO
Team PO Team PO Team PO Team PO
Business IT IT Business
If the Team PO is a business guy
• Basically, a True PO is a Team PO’s boss
• Typically, he/she is an experienced manager
who knows what to say to whom to overcome
resistance to change
True PO
Team PO
CX Expert
in team
External
Expert
or Stakeholder
Team PO who combined the
responsibilities of a PO and a
manager of another department
Team PO
If the Team PO is an IT specialist
• Becomes a community (competence) leader
• Often he/she is happy to be freed from the
administrative work so that they can focus
on their areas of expertise
True PO
Team PO
Team PO
Community
Leader
Community
Leader
Corporative
motivation
system
and LeSS
Motivation system
•Most large, old corporations
have a bonus system.
•It's legacy of times when it
was believed that bonuses
help motivate employees
Monetary motivation of knowledge workers
Peter Drucker
What Motivates the Modern Worker?
Carnegie Mellon and others
Large Stakes and Big Mistakes
• Knowledge workers do not work more effectively
when promised a bonus
• Employees slightly motivated immediately after
receiving a bonus (about 1 month)
• Promising to pay a bonus at the end of the year
does not increase efficiency.
pixabay
• If an employee works a lot
he makes more mistakes
• Developer can code for 4-6 hrs/day
• Promising pay more or pay for
overtime won’t lead achieving the
goal
SYSTEM
CORPORATE
Framework
First thing you need to do
Abandon individual performance estimation,
because the team achieves a common goal
If you set individual goals for team members,
and they all achieve their goals, you may not
release the product
Individual goals
•Tester goal: find as many bugs as possible
•Analyst goal: create as much documentation as
possible
•Developer goal: release features as quickly as possible
Individual goals vs team goals
• Individual goals of team members could contradict each
other
• The sum of team members’ goals does not result in a
finished product
• Common team goals stimulate collaboration
• For Scrum team bonus should be connected to team goals
You have a department with 100 employee
You can only pay a bonus to 30 people
LeSS group bonus challenge
Product 1:
50 employees
Product 2:
30 emp.
Product 3:
20 emp.
What do we do if we have a limit on the number of employees who
can receive bonuses?
Long-term solution: Limit the bonus fund, but not the number of
people with bonuses
Short-term solution:
Give bonuses to the teams in the group by rotation
LeSS group bonus challenge
Summary
• LeSS allows flexible planning in a multi-team context
• LeSS discovers toxic and useless managers
• If you want to get all benefits from LeSS you must change
the bonus system
What to read and watch
LeSS.works – site about LeSS
Craig Larman, Bas Vodde
“Large Scale Scrum. More with LeSS”
Drive: The surprising truth about what motivates us
Daniel H. Pink
“Drive: The surprising truth about what motivates us”
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LeSS in the big bank a five-year journey.pdf

  • 1. LeSS in the big bank: a five-year journey Denis Tuchin
  • 2. Denis Tuchin • Scrum Master since 2011 • Agile Coach since 2014 • LeSS Coach since 2017 • 6 own LeSS-like cases (20 teams) • Mentor of 10 other LeSS groups • 2021-2022 LeSS Huge case (28 teams)
  • 3. The story of part of the big bank agile transformation •100+ tribes •1000+ products •3000+ Agile teams
  • 4. Agenda • Business Benefits of LeSS Framework – How to sell it? • What to do with the "extra" leaders? • What needs to change in the reward system to achieve results?
  • 7. When the Scrum comes into the big product (typical case) Team (7±2) Team (7±2) Team (7±2) Team (7±2) Product Owner Product Owner Product Owner Product Owner Product Backlog Product Backlog Product Backlog Product Backlog
  • 8. Urgent work appears Angry Manager who is responsible for the product
  • 9. Team Team Team Team True Product Owner LeSS Framework suggest Single Product Single Backlog
  • 13. With a single Product Backlog, you can be sure each team is working on the most important task
  • 14. Example: Bank deposits mobile app Manager who is responsible for product Deposit Opening Deposit Closing
  • 15. Single Backlog Deposit Opening Deposit Closing True Product Owner Business people like this because they can change priorities every sprint Happy Product Owner
  • 16. What to do with “Team POs“? True PO Team PO Team PO Team PO Team PO
  • 17. Don’t be hasty in firing extra managers • One company did away with the Team Lead role • It suggested Team Leads change the position • Team Leads felt they were demoted • Most Team Leads quit • Teams were not mature to coordinate their own work or make architectural decisions • Managers must delegate their responsibilities and power smoothly.
  • 18. Role of Manager in LeSS Framework
  • 19. What about real cases? 1. Dealing with Dev/Tech/Team Leads 2. Dealing with Team Product Owners
  • 20. What if Dev/Tech/Team Lead is against LeSS? • Gives sound objections, but ready to discuss how to resolve these • Makes dubious arguments against change and he is unwilling to discuss these • Treathens others that everything will break down after changes or after his dismissal Two categories of managers
  • 21. What to do with them? Series of one-on-one meetings (1-5) • Understands the value of change and becomes an ambassador among the teams • Becomes a dedicated Scrum Master or a community (competence) leader • Stays on own point of view and avoids you • You have to fire him or her leaves himself after the transformation Teams’ performance was grown
  • 22. What to do with “Team POs“? True PO Team PO Team PO Team PO Team PO Business IT IT Business
  • 23. If the Team PO is a business guy • Basically, a True PO is a Team PO’s boss • Typically, he/she is an experienced manager who knows what to say to whom to overcome resistance to change True PO Team PO CX Expert in team External Expert or Stakeholder Team PO who combined the responsibilities of a PO and a manager of another department Team PO
  • 24. If the Team PO is an IT specialist • Becomes a community (competence) leader • Often he/she is happy to be freed from the administrative work so that they can focus on their areas of expertise True PO Team PO Team PO Community Leader Community Leader
  • 26. Motivation system •Most large, old corporations have a bonus system. •It's legacy of times when it was believed that bonuses help motivate employees
  • 27. Monetary motivation of knowledge workers Peter Drucker What Motivates the Modern Worker? Carnegie Mellon and others Large Stakes and Big Mistakes • Knowledge workers do not work more effectively when promised a bonus • Employees slightly motivated immediately after receiving a bonus (about 1 month) • Promising to pay a bonus at the end of the year does not increase efficiency.
  • 28. pixabay • If an employee works a lot he makes more mistakes • Developer can code for 4-6 hrs/day • Promising pay more or pay for overtime won’t lead achieving the goal
  • 30. First thing you need to do Abandon individual performance estimation, because the team achieves a common goal If you set individual goals for team members, and they all achieve their goals, you may not release the product
  • 31. Individual goals •Tester goal: find as many bugs as possible •Analyst goal: create as much documentation as possible •Developer goal: release features as quickly as possible
  • 32. Individual goals vs team goals • Individual goals of team members could contradict each other • The sum of team members’ goals does not result in a finished product • Common team goals stimulate collaboration • For Scrum team bonus should be connected to team goals
  • 33. You have a department with 100 employee You can only pay a bonus to 30 people LeSS group bonus challenge Product 1: 50 employees Product 2: 30 emp. Product 3: 20 emp.
  • 34. What do we do if we have a limit on the number of employees who can receive bonuses? Long-term solution: Limit the bonus fund, but not the number of people with bonuses Short-term solution: Give bonuses to the teams in the group by rotation LeSS group bonus challenge
  • 35. Summary • LeSS allows flexible planning in a multi-team context • LeSS discovers toxic and useless managers • If you want to get all benefits from LeSS you must change the bonus system
  • 36. What to read and watch LeSS.works – site about LeSS Craig Larman, Bas Vodde “Large Scale Scrum. More with LeSS” Drive: The surprising truth about what motivates us Daniel H. Pink “Drive: The surprising truth about what motivates us”