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Buffy Hamilton
Response to Bakhtin
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September 23, 2002

Bakhtin, M. (1981). Discourse in the novel. In The dialogic imagination: Four essays by
       M.M. Bakhtin (pp.259-422). Austin, TX: University of Texas Press.


I first ventured into this text Friday, revisited it Saturday evening, and wrestled with it
again on Sunday as well as tonight. I did find the glossary and introduction helpful in
orienting myself, but I still feel unsure of what I can comprehend at this point. It was
comforting to know that you all were feeling the same confusion and uncertainty that I
did. Prior to this reading, I did see Bakhtin referenced in works by Anne Haas Dyson
and Barbara Kamler (ELAN 7320 Writing Pedagogy with Dr. Majors) , but this is my first
reading of his actual work. The waves are still crashing about me as I experience what
Dr. St. Pierre would call “comfortable chaos”!

What might Bakhtin be saying about inquiry?
 • (not in the last section, but this quote caught my eye) “…whatever these
    meanings turn out to be, in order to enter our experience (which is social
    experience) they must take on the form of a sign (is this like Vygotsky’s
    notion of word and thought?) that is audible and visible for us (a hieroglyph, a
    mathematical formula a verbal or linguistic expression, a sketch, etc.). Without
    such temporal-spatial expression, even abstract thought is impossible.
    Consequently, every entry into the sphere of meanings is accomplished only
    through the gates of the chronotope.” (time-space) (p. 258)
 • “The novel can be defined as a diversity of social speech types (sometimes even
    diversity of languages) and a diversity of voices, artistically organized” (p. 262)
 • “The authentic environment of an utterance, the environment in which it lives and
    takes shape, is dialogized heterglossia, anonymous and social as language, but
    simultaneous concrete, filled with specific concrete and accented as an individual
    utterance” (p. 272).
 • Dialogism: competition of several voices within a literary text
 • “The dialogic orientation of a word among other words (of all kinds and degrees of
    otherness) creates new and significant artistic potential in discourse, creates the
    potential for a distinct art of prose, which has found its fullest and deepest
    expression in the novel” (p. 275)
 • “The living utterance, having taken a meaning and shape at a particular historical
    moment in a socially specific environment, cannot fail to brush up against
    thousands of living dialogic threads, woven by socio-ideological consciousness
    around the given object of an utterance; it cannot fail to become an active
    participant in social dialogue.” ( p. 276)
 • “If we imagine the intention of such a word, that is its directionality toward the
    object, in the form of a ray of light, then the living and unrepeatable lay of colors
    and light on the facets of the images that I constructs can be explained as the
    spectral dispersion of the ray-word, not within the object itself...but rather as its
    spectral dispersion in an atmosphere filled with the alien words, value judgments,
and accents through which the ray passes on its way toward the object; the social
    atmosphere of the word, the atmosphere that surrounds the object, makes the
    facets of the image sparkle” (p. 277) [Shades of Vygotsky???]
  • “Understanding and response are dialectically merged and mutually condition each
    other; one is impossible without the other” (p. 282).
   • “Language lies on the borderline between oneself and other. It becomes “one’s
     own” only when the speaker populates it with his own intention, his own accent,
     when he appropriates the word, adapting it to his own semantic and expressive
     intention” (p.293).
  • “The tendency to assimilate others’ discourse takes on an even deeper and more
    basic significance in an individual’s ideological becoming, in the most fundamental
    sense. Another’s discourse performs no longer here as information, directions,
    rules, models, and so forth---but strives rather to determine the very bases of our
    ideological interrelations with the world, the very basis of our behavior…” (p. 342)

Reflections/Connections/Muddy Points/Questions

Some of these quotes remind me of the transactional concepts set forth by Rosenblatt---
especially the quotes from pp. 276-277. Everything that we transact with in our
environment affects our present and future experiences. Our social and cultural
backgrounds give us our linguistic reservoir (Dewey), and as the quote above illustrate,
help us find our words that we use to convey our thoughts (Vygotsky). If we draw upon
these influences to find our words, would the words they supply us affect our
thoughts/ideas (see the quote from p. 342)? So is the thought really ours, or is it a
thought molded by the “voices of others”?

Our cultural and social backgrounds give us our words----we simply take them and mold
them to work in the context of our own intentions. This is very much what Jameel did
in Social Worlds of Children Learning to Write in a Primary School. For Jameel, he had
to have space to bring his “unofficial worlds” into the “official world” of school before he
could grow and move forward in school. Dyson also says on p. 19 in this text that
“Children do not learn language from dictionaries but from people in particular
situations. They also learn the values and authority structures of the social world within
which it has lived.” I also looked back at my reading log from June 26 of Dyson, and I
copied this quote:

p. 190 “In literacy education, we do value, as William seemed to know, child “voice”
or “self-expression” and child “ownership” of text. But individuals, including
children, do not have but one voice, nor do as they solitary selves “own” their texts.
Moreover, as Bahktin 1981 discussed, the social interaction between composer and
audience itself take place against a landscape of social and power relations.”

I am sorry to keep going back to Dyson, but recalling snippets of that reading helps me
have a context to try to conceptualize Bahktin in since she referred quite frequently to
his paradigm/thinking.
It sounds as though he is saying the novel is the medium in which the discourse that
allows space for all these voices, and that the novel is the best genre? Is a dialogic text
one that allows for the “multiple voices” of others from different social/cultural contexts
to be heard? It is not authoritative or the final say if something is dialogic, right? If this
is true, this mode of thinking fits right in with Rosenblatt’s transactional theory. It
seems it would allow multiple ways of knowing as well, which in turn, would seem to
favor an inquiry approach to learning as it would allow students to experience “words”
and “knowledge” in multiple ways, and hopefully, these experiences (Dewey?) would in
turn affect students’ intentions and thoughts?

I realize I am rambling a bit here, but I am sincerely groping in the dark for meaning.
Forgive me if I fumble it just a little! ☺

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Buffy hamilton response to bakhtin 9 23-02

  • 1. Buffy Hamilton Response to Bakhtin READ 8100 September 23, 2002 Bakhtin, M. (1981). Discourse in the novel. In The dialogic imagination: Four essays by M.M. Bakhtin (pp.259-422). Austin, TX: University of Texas Press. I first ventured into this text Friday, revisited it Saturday evening, and wrestled with it again on Sunday as well as tonight. I did find the glossary and introduction helpful in orienting myself, but I still feel unsure of what I can comprehend at this point. It was comforting to know that you all were feeling the same confusion and uncertainty that I did. Prior to this reading, I did see Bakhtin referenced in works by Anne Haas Dyson and Barbara Kamler (ELAN 7320 Writing Pedagogy with Dr. Majors) , but this is my first reading of his actual work. The waves are still crashing about me as I experience what Dr. St. Pierre would call “comfortable chaos”! What might Bakhtin be saying about inquiry? • (not in the last section, but this quote caught my eye) “…whatever these meanings turn out to be, in order to enter our experience (which is social experience) they must take on the form of a sign (is this like Vygotsky’s notion of word and thought?) that is audible and visible for us (a hieroglyph, a mathematical formula a verbal or linguistic expression, a sketch, etc.). Without such temporal-spatial expression, even abstract thought is impossible. Consequently, every entry into the sphere of meanings is accomplished only through the gates of the chronotope.” (time-space) (p. 258) • “The novel can be defined as a diversity of social speech types (sometimes even diversity of languages) and a diversity of voices, artistically organized” (p. 262) • “The authentic environment of an utterance, the environment in which it lives and takes shape, is dialogized heterglossia, anonymous and social as language, but simultaneous concrete, filled with specific concrete and accented as an individual utterance” (p. 272). • Dialogism: competition of several voices within a literary text • “The dialogic orientation of a word among other words (of all kinds and degrees of otherness) creates new and significant artistic potential in discourse, creates the potential for a distinct art of prose, which has found its fullest and deepest expression in the novel” (p. 275) • “The living utterance, having taken a meaning and shape at a particular historical moment in a socially specific environment, cannot fail to brush up against thousands of living dialogic threads, woven by socio-ideological consciousness around the given object of an utterance; it cannot fail to become an active participant in social dialogue.” ( p. 276) • “If we imagine the intention of such a word, that is its directionality toward the object, in the form of a ray of light, then the living and unrepeatable lay of colors and light on the facets of the images that I constructs can be explained as the spectral dispersion of the ray-word, not within the object itself...but rather as its spectral dispersion in an atmosphere filled with the alien words, value judgments,
  • 2. and accents through which the ray passes on its way toward the object; the social atmosphere of the word, the atmosphere that surrounds the object, makes the facets of the image sparkle” (p. 277) [Shades of Vygotsky???] • “Understanding and response are dialectically merged and mutually condition each other; one is impossible without the other” (p. 282). • “Language lies on the borderline between oneself and other. It becomes “one’s own” only when the speaker populates it with his own intention, his own accent, when he appropriates the word, adapting it to his own semantic and expressive intention” (p.293). • “The tendency to assimilate others’ discourse takes on an even deeper and more basic significance in an individual’s ideological becoming, in the most fundamental sense. Another’s discourse performs no longer here as information, directions, rules, models, and so forth---but strives rather to determine the very bases of our ideological interrelations with the world, the very basis of our behavior…” (p. 342) Reflections/Connections/Muddy Points/Questions Some of these quotes remind me of the transactional concepts set forth by Rosenblatt--- especially the quotes from pp. 276-277. Everything that we transact with in our environment affects our present and future experiences. Our social and cultural backgrounds give us our linguistic reservoir (Dewey), and as the quote above illustrate, help us find our words that we use to convey our thoughts (Vygotsky). If we draw upon these influences to find our words, would the words they supply us affect our thoughts/ideas (see the quote from p. 342)? So is the thought really ours, or is it a thought molded by the “voices of others”? Our cultural and social backgrounds give us our words----we simply take them and mold them to work in the context of our own intentions. This is very much what Jameel did in Social Worlds of Children Learning to Write in a Primary School. For Jameel, he had to have space to bring his “unofficial worlds” into the “official world” of school before he could grow and move forward in school. Dyson also says on p. 19 in this text that “Children do not learn language from dictionaries but from people in particular situations. They also learn the values and authority structures of the social world within which it has lived.” I also looked back at my reading log from June 26 of Dyson, and I copied this quote: p. 190 “In literacy education, we do value, as William seemed to know, child “voice” or “self-expression” and child “ownership” of text. But individuals, including children, do not have but one voice, nor do as they solitary selves “own” their texts. Moreover, as Bahktin 1981 discussed, the social interaction between composer and audience itself take place against a landscape of social and power relations.” I am sorry to keep going back to Dyson, but recalling snippets of that reading helps me have a context to try to conceptualize Bahktin in since she referred quite frequently to his paradigm/thinking.
  • 3. It sounds as though he is saying the novel is the medium in which the discourse that allows space for all these voices, and that the novel is the best genre? Is a dialogic text one that allows for the “multiple voices” of others from different social/cultural contexts to be heard? It is not authoritative or the final say if something is dialogic, right? If this is true, this mode of thinking fits right in with Rosenblatt’s transactional theory. It seems it would allow multiple ways of knowing as well, which in turn, would seem to favor an inquiry approach to learning as it would allow students to experience “words” and “knowledge” in multiple ways, and hopefully, these experiences (Dewey?) would in turn affect students’ intentions and thoughts? I realize I am rambling a bit here, but I am sincerely groping in the dark for meaning. Forgive me if I fumble it just a little! ☺