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Kent Bye vs Mick West: A Debate on UAP Evidence & Skepticism
1. Kent Bye vs. Mick West:
A Debate on UAP
Evidence & Skepticism
@KentBye
July 2, 2021
2. Bye, K. (2017, December 19). THREAD 1/ @tomdelonge's disclosure
campaign has had the UFO community buzzing since leaked Wikileaks
emails to @johnpodesta confirmed high-level contacts. Twitter.
https://twitter.com/kentbye/status/943238420037431297.
kentbye. (2021, June 12). Physics of UAP/UFO, Alcubierre
Warp Drives, & Spacetime Metric Engineering with Dr.
Matthew Szydagis. YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MdkMMBoj5o.
42-Month UAP
Twitter Thread
(since Dec 19 2017)
@KentBye
Bye, K. (2017, May 4). Voices of VR Podcast.
https://voicesofvr.com/.
Engineering Background
Oral Historian
Emerging Tech Podcaster
Aspiring Philosopher
1 UAP YouTube Interview
After the Scientific
Coalition for UAP Studies
AAPC Conference
Full slidedeck available at
https://www.slideshare.net/kentbye
3. Munroe, R. (2008, February 20). Duty Calls.
xkcd. https://xkcd.com/386/.
Why we’re both here...
4. @KentBye debating @MickWest on the ODNI
Preliminary UAP Assessment
Bye, K. (2021, June 30). doesn't provide any justification for you to make the assertions
that the report says. Twitter. https://twitter.com/kentbye/status/1410285298139820033.
5. Robinson, M. (2014, December 29). The Socratic
Method, Teaching the Trivium: Dialectic. Trivium 21c.
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-teaching-the-trivium-dialectic/.
Socratic Dialogue
+ Dialectic
Miller, G. (2019, October 1). see this for what 'steelmanning' is. Twitter.
https://twitter.com/primalpoly/status/1178838156893753345.
I will do my best to “Steel
Man” Mick’s Arguments
6. ● Intro & Context Setting
● Critiques of Mick West’s UAP Hypotheses
○ West on Nimitz Tic Tac
○ The Problem with West’s Occamaric Ranking
○ West’s GIMBAL Rotating Glare Hypothesis
○ West on Corbell’s Drops
○ West on GO FAST not being fast
○ West on ODNI’s UAP Preliminary Assessment
● Appendix: Philosophical References on Skepticism,
Scientific Method, & Epistemology + Tweets
7. My invitation to debate
Mick on Unidentified
Celebrity Review Podcast,
and then my invitation &
provocation to Mick.
@LuAngeles to @kentbye Twitter DMs (2021, June 30). Invitation & Response
to Debate Mick West on The Unidentified Celebrity Review. Twitter DMs.
8. West, M. (2013, June 30). My Personal History Of Debunking. Metabunk.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/my-personal-history-of-debunking.1915/.
Mick’s Debunking Goal:
“Remove ‘nonsense’ or false sentiment
& expose false claims
9. The Unidentified Celebrity Review. (2021, June 21). UFO/UAP LIVESTREAM W/Mick West. YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqglLnqL62I.
Mick West:
"If I'm removing one thing that's a
false piece of evidence, then we all
move closer to the truth no matter
what you're underlying feeling is."
10. West, M. (2020). Escaping the rabbit hole: how to debunk
conspiracy theories using facts, logic, and respect.
Skyhorse Publishing.
West, M. (2006, April 11). Morgellons Watch.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070317234040/http://morgello
nswatch.com/2006/04/11/tea-tree-objects-identified/.
West, M. (2007, May 4). Metabunk.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110923094508/http://contrails
cience.com/persisting-and-spreading-contrails.
Some of Mick’s Evolution in Debunking...
11. Kean, L. (2017, January 5). Groundbreaking UFO Video Just Released By Chilean Navy. HuffPost.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/groundbreaking-ufo-video-just-released-from-chilean_b_586d37bce4b014e7c72ee56b.
Kean, L. (2017, January 17). The Chilean Navy UFO Video: Is It A Plane? HuffPost.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-chilean-navy-ufo-video-is-it-a-plane_b_587e7277e4b06a0baf6490ef.
West, M. (2017, January 6). Explained: Chilean Navy "UFO" video - Aerodynamic Contrails, Flight IB6830. Metabunk.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/explained-chilean-navy-ufo-video-aerodynamic-contrails-flight-ib6830.8306/.
West, M. (2017, January 17). Chilean UFO Video Explained. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uoqxr6AI7VQ.
12. Cooper, H., Blumenthal, R., & Kean, L. (2017, December 16). Glowing Auras and 'Black Money': The Pentagon's Mysterious U.F.O. Program.
The New York Times. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html.
13. West, M. (2017, December 20). Rotating UFO or Rotating Infrared Glare? YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcsAZTKRv5E.
Mick West:
"It might be that it's fighter jet
going into a banked turn or a flying saucer that's
ignoring gravity. But it might be something simpler:
a rotation of the infrared glare around the engines...
So while this doesn't prove the UFO
is just a distant plane with some
infrared glare, it's certainly a possibility to
consider."
VIDEO: Rotating UFO or Rotating Infrared Glare?
14. ● Intro & Context Setting
● Critiques of Mick West’s UAP Hypotheses
○ West on Nimitz Tic Tac
○ The Problem with West’s Occamaric Ranking
○ West’s GIMBAL Rotating Glare Hypothesis
○ West on Corbell’s Drops
○ West on GO FAST not being fast
○ West on ODNI’s UAP Preliminary Assessment
● Appendix: Philosophical References on Skepticism,
Scientific Method, & Epistemology + Tweets
15. Miller, G. (2019, October 1). see this for what 'steelmanning' is. Twitter.
https://twitter.com/primalpoly/status/1178838156893753345.
16. The Unidentified Celebrity Review. (2021, April 14). LIVE STREAM W/MICK WEST. YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfRwr6YZQJM.
Mick West on the Nimitz Tic Tac:
● Fravor's size estimation could have been wrong
because the Tic Tac was a novel, featureless object
● "big [perceptual] illusion of it being big and far
away, and it was actually small and close."
● Rather 40ft long, may have been 20ft long.
● Even though he's a great pilot "Doesn't mean that
he can never, ever, ever make a mistake."
● Mike would “bet it was not a craft that accelerated
into hyperspeed.”
● Probably a fancy drone, target ballon, or
perceptual illusion.
● Also… “I don't know what happened.”
17. West, M. (2021, June 30), Twitter, https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/1410239541517066244
18. The Unidentified Celebrity Review. (2021, April 14). LIVE STREAM W/MICK WEST. YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfRwr6YZQJM.
Mick West:
The issue for me [is] are there actually craft that
have the five observables?
Or are we just seeing things that look like they have
the five observables? ...
Some people say that we have so much evidence
that it must be real...
And I kind of disagree. If you look at each thing
individually... [could just be a radar glitch]
19. History Channel. (2019, June 15). Unidentified: The 5 Observables . YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sstBSuXIW0I0.
20. Knapp, G. (2018, May 18). I-Team Exclusive: Confidential report analyzes Tic Tac UFO incidents. KLAS.
https://www.8newsnow.com/news/i-team-exclusive-confidential-report-analyzes-tic-tac-ufo-incidents/.
21. Knapp, G. (2018, May 18). I-Team Exclusive: Confidential report analyzes Tic Tac UFO incidents. KLAS.
https://www.8newsnow.com/news/i-team-exclusive-confidential-report-analyzes-tic-tac-ufo-incidents/.
History Channel. (2019, June 15). Unidentified: The 5 Observables . YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sstBSuXIW0I0.
22. Knapp, G. (2018, May 18). I-Team Exclusive: Confidential report analyzes Tic Tac UFO incidents. KLAS.
https://www.8newsnow.com/news/i-team-exclusive-confidential-report-analyzes-tic-tac-ufo-incidents/.
History Channel. (2019, June 15). Unidentified: The 5 Observables . YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sstBSuXIW0I0.
23. Knapp, G. (2018, May 18). I-Team Exclusive: Confidential report analyzes Tic Tac UFO incidents. KLAS.
https://www.8newsnow.com/news/i-team-exclusive-confidential-report-analyzes-tic-tac-ufo-incidents/.
History Channel. (2019, June 15). Unidentified: The 5 Observables . YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sstBSuXIW0I0.
24. Knapp, G. (2018, May 18). I-Team Exclusive: Confidential report analyzes Tic Tac UFO incidents. KLAS.
https://www.8newsnow.com/news/i-team-exclusive-confidential-report-analyzes-tic-tac-ufo-incidents/.
History Channel. (2019, June 15). Unidentified: The 5 Observables . YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sstBSuXIW0I0.
25. Knapp, G. (2018, May 18). I-Team Exclusive: Confidential report analyzes Tic Tac UFO incidents. KLAS.
https://www.8newsnow.com/news/i-team-exclusive-confidential-report-analyzes-tic-tac-ufo-incidents/.
History Channel. (2019, June 15). Unidentified: The 5 Observables . YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sstBSuXIW0I0.
26. History Channel. (2019, June 15). Unidentified: The 5 Observables . YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sstBSuXIW0I0.
27. History Channel. (2019, June 15). Unidentified: The 5 Observables . YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sstBSuXIW0I0.
TheZignal. (n.d.). Tic Tac UFO / UAP Encounter Morale Patch Sticker by ToInfinity. Redbubble.
https://www.redbubble.com/i/sticker/Tic-Tac-UFO-UAP-Encounter-Morale-Patch-by-ToInfinity/50818454.EJUG5.
28. The Unidentified Celebrity Review. (2021, April 14). LIVE STREAM W/MICK WEST. YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfRwr6YZQJM.
Mick West Argues:
● Fravor's size estimation could have been wrong
because the Tic Tac was a novel, featureless object
● "big [perceptual] illusion of it being big and far
away, and it was actually small and close."
● Rather 40ft long, may have been 20ft long.
● Even though he's a great pilot "Doesn't mean that
he can never, ever, ever make a mistake."
● Mike would “bet it was not a craft that accelerated
into hyperspeed.”
● Probably a fancy drone, target ballon, or
perceptual illusion.
● Also… “I don't know what happened.”
QUESTION: How can you claim that what you’re
doing here is removing false pieces of evidence?
29. ● Intro & Context Setting
● Critiques of Mick West’s UAP Hypotheses
○ West on Nimitz Tic Tac
○ The Problem with West’s Occamaric Ranking
○ West’s GIMBAL Rotating Glare Hypothesis
○ West on Corbell’s Drops
○ West on GO FAST not being fast
○ West on ODNI’s UAP Preliminary Assessment
● Appendix: Philosophical References on Skepticism,
Scientific Method, & Epistemology + Tweets
30. West, M. (2020, June 18). I use a process I call "Occamic Ranking"... Twitter. https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/1273652665138864133.
31. Heuer, R. J. (1999). Psychology of intelligence analysis. Center for the Study of Intelligence, Central Intelligence Agency. Retrieved from
https://www.cia.gov/static/9a5f1162fd0932c29bfed1c030edf4ae/Pyschology-of-Intelligence-Analysis.pdf
32. West, M. (2021, June 11). I study UFOs – and I don't believe the alien hype. Here's why.
The Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/11/i-study-ufos-and-i-dont-believe-t
he-alien-hype-heres-why.
West, M. (2021, June 26). This is not the biggest story. It's still the exact same story as
before. Twitter. https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/1408816138507616256.
West, M. (2021, July 2). Aliens are on the list, just not very high. Twitter.
https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/1410818623669690368.
West, M. (2021, June 30). A quick analysis of the new Corbell UFO video. Looks
like planes, possibly drones. Man made... Not aliens. Twitter.
https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/1410026266950963200.
33. West, M. (2020, October 15). [They] believe in aliens. Twitter.
https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/1316837638947565569.
West, M. (2021, June 11). I study UFOs – and I don't believe the alien hype. Here's why. The Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/11/i-study-ufos-and-i-dont-believe-the-alien-hype-heres-why.
West, M. (2021, July 1). Who said anything about aliens?
Pretty much everyone! Twitter.
https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/1410432940828360704.
34. ● Intro & Context Setting
● Critiques of Mick West’s UAP Hypotheses
○ West on Nimitz Tic Tac
○ The Problem with West’s Occamaric Ranking
○ West’s GIMBAL Rotating Glare Hypothesis
○ West on Corbell’s Drops
○ West on GO FAST not being fast
○ West on ODNI’s UAP Preliminary Assessment
● Appendix: Philosophical References on Skepticism,
Scientific Method, & Epistemology + Tweets
35. West, M. (2017, December 20). Rotating UFO or Rotating Infrared Glare? YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcsAZTKRv5E.
Mick West:
"It might be that it's fighter jet
going into a banked turn or a flying saucer that's
ignoring gravity. But it might be something simpler:
a rotation of the infrared glare around the engines...
So while this doesn't prove the UFO
is just a distant plane with some
infrared glare, it's certainly a possibility to
consider."
West: Rotating UFO or Rotating Infrared Glare? (Dec 20 2017)
36. Heuer, R. J. (1999). Psychology of intelligence analysis. Center for the Study of Intelligence, Central Intelligence Agency. Retrieved from
https://www.cia.gov/static/9a5f1162fd0932c29bfed1c030edf4ae/Pyschology-of-Intelligence-Analysis.pdf
37. West, M. (2019, June 30). Gimbal UFO: New Footage Proves Glare Rotation. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Btns91W5J8.
Mick West:
The entire effect is just a camera effect.
Is it solved?
We still don't know what it is.
But the shape is solved.
The rotation is solved.
And the glow, the aura is also solved.
So what we're looking at is something hot.
Something like a jet engine
miles away.
There's nothing to indicate any
advanced technology or aliens.
West: Gimbal UFO: New Footage Proves Glare Rotation (June 30, 2019)
38. Heuer, R. J. (1999). Psychology of intelligence analysis. Center for the Study of Intelligence, Central Intelligence Agency. Retrieved from
https://www.cia.gov/static/9a5f1162fd0932c29bfed1c030edf4ae/Pyschology-of-Intelligence-Analysis.pdf
39. Cuomo Prime Time. (2021, May 21). Expert Explains Navy Footage of UFO Sightings. CNN (Retrieved from Twitter).
https://twitter.com/CuomoPrimeTime/status/1395924723721285638.
Mick West on CNN:
So what we're looking at is a tail
end of a jet plane...
40. Global News. (2021, June 6). UFO skeptic shares explanation for declassified videos ahead of Pentagon report release. YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqXkonM8wLU.
Mick West:
And a lot of these have very reasonable
explanations, especially the ones we have
video evidence for that's been released to the public.
41. West, M. (2021, March 11). TFTRH #52 - Luis Elizondo: UFOs, UAPs, AATIP, and TTSA. YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eozxt_HnPu4.
West: Well respectfully, I don't think you
understand the argument I'm making with the rotating
glare and the horizon...
Elizondo: Maybe not. Please explain.
West: We don't have time to get into it... [~1-minute
explanation]... But because the glare is relative to the
orientation to the camera. This makes the glare rotate,
but the horizon not rotate.
Elizondo: I'm not sure I'm tracking you. I apologize...
[18-second recap attempt]... if you’re going to rotate the
object while not rotating the horizon --
West: Yeah, it's not rotating the object though. It's
rotating a glare, like the shape of a glare...
Elizondo: Oh I see what you’re saying… [back and
forth] Correct me if I’m wrong... Your hypothesis is that the
object that is creating that glare, you’re not actually seeing in
the camera. You’re only seeing the glare. Is that what your--?
West: Correct. Yeah, so. I’m thinking you’re looking
basically at the tail pipe of an F/A-18 that's
like 10 miles away.
Elizondo: No, I understand what you're saying. I will
have to respectfully disagree... The data we had did not
demonstrate that you were just looking at a glare.
42. West, M. (2021, March 11). TFTRH #52 - Luis Elizondo: UFOs, UAPs, AATIP, and TTSA. YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eozxt_HnPu4.
Elizondo: Are you certain that there's not other
video or also perhaps radar data that correlates
with the pilot's testimony?
West: That would be great, but unfortunately I've
only got the video to go by. But my point there isn't
really that there may be other data. My point is
that people are taking the video itself, and
they're saying this video itself shows these things [i.e.
flying off rapidly off the side by Chad Underwood and
Unidentified TV show.] And I would put it the video
itself could be interpreted as just a regular object not
making any sudden moves.
Elizondo: I think you're certainly entitled to your own
opinions and own interpretation. I will tell you with my
experience... that was not the interpretation. And in the
government we tend to look at things holistically. We try
to avoid single-source reporting. From an
intelligence perspective, it's kind of like a no-no for us -- just
like in the world of reporting you never look at a single
source. And so that's why it's important to look at these
videos in the greater context in the manner in which they
were taken and the circumstances... A video itself is only
going to tell you so much. And that's why you need additional
information to look at that can either corroborate or refute
that information... [i.e.] gun camera footage, what you
hear from eyewitness testimony, what you see on the
Hawkeye radar information, which is backed up by
the SPY-1 data from the Princeton, and possibly...
other sensors that were in the area at the time. Now you've
got a much more complete picture of what's actually going
on.
West: It'd be great if I could get that picture, of course...
43. Cooper, H., Blumenthal, R., & Kean, L. (2017, December 16). Glowing Auras and 'Black Money': The Pentagon's Mysterious U.F.O. Program.
The New York Times. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html.
West’s Rotating Glare Theory Relies on this Being a
Friendly F/A-18 Jet or Commercial Plane
44. Graves, R. (2021, May 26). Sensor/radar/datalink/PID/IFF/airplane schedule/geographic location of GIMBAL video. Twitter.
https://twitter.com/uncertainvector/status/1397535320602812422.
45. Alpha Check. (2021, May 20). The Nimitz Encounter - A Response to Mick West. YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTUX5tgU5xo.
There’s a whole fleet of them.
Look on the SA.
[Situational Awareness Screen]
46. Alpha Check. (2021, May 20). The Nimitz Encounter - A Response to Mick West. YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTUX5tgU5xo.
Sensors, Radar, & Datalink (Link16) with Shared Situational Awareness
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2003.https://trace.tennessee.edu/utk_gradthes/2335
48. PowerfulJRE. (2019, October 5). Joe Rogan
Experience #1361 - Cmdr. David Fravor
& Jeremy Corbell. YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ.
Dietrich, A. A. (2021, July 1). There was jamming. Twitter.
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Office of the Director of National Intelligence. (2021, June 25). Preliminary Assessment:
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m/2223-preliminary-assessment-unidentified-aerial-phenomena.
Corbell, J. (2021, June 30). P.S. Active Jamming a weapons system - it's an act of
war. Twitter. https://twitter.com/JeremyCorbell/status/1410406819869069320.
49. AATIP. (2017, December 16).
2004 USS Nimitz Pilot Report.
To The Stars Academy.
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my.com/nimitz-report/.
To The Stars Academy. (2017, December 19). Read this
report from a highly decorated fighter pilot and recognized
aviation expert. Twitter.
https://twitter.com/TTSAcademy/status/943143861123039232.
50. Edwards, G. (2003, April 8) Fleet Approach to Operations and Training Sustainability, Presented at 29th Environmental &
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Found via Rogoway , T., & Trevithick, J. (2019, January 25). Is This Concept Art Of A Mysterious Space Launch
Mothership A Missing Link In Area 51's Past? The Drive.
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51. Cuomo Prime Time. (2021, May 21). Expert Explains Navy Footage of UFO Sightings. CNN (Retrieved from Twitter).
https://twitter.com/CuomoPrimeTime/status/1395924723721285638.
Mick West on CNN:
So what we're looking at is a tail
end of a jet plane...
52. Graves, R. (2021, May 26). Sensor/radar/datalink/PID/IFF/airplane schedule/geographic location of GIMBAL video. Twitter.
https://twitter.com/uncertainvector/status/1397535320602812422.
53. ● Intro & Context Setting
● Critiques of Mick West’s UAP Hypotheses
○ West on Nimitz Tic Tac
○ The Problem with West’s Occamaric Ranking
○ West’s GIMBAL Rotating Glare Hypothesis
○ West on Corbell’s Drops
○ West on GO FAST not being fast
○ West on ODNI’s UAP Preliminary Assessment
● Appendix: Philosophical References on Skepticism,
Scientific Method, & Epistemology + Tweets
54. West, M. (2021, June 30). Worst UFO video ever. Looks like some planes.
They do nothing. Jeremy does NOT have corroborating data. Twitter.
https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/1410427135693447170.
Corbell, J. (2021, May 27). 2019 US Navy warships were swarmed
by UFOs; here's the RADAR footage that shows that. Twitter.
55. Edwards, G. (2003, April 8) Fleet Approach to Operations and Training Sustainability, Presented at 29th Environmental &
Energy Symposium & Exhibition (https://ndia.dtic.mil/2003/2003environ.html) Retrieved from:
https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/ndia/2003/environ/hell.pdf
Found via Rogoway , T., & Trevithick, J. (2019, January 25). Is This Concept Art Of A Mysterious Space Launch
Mothership A Missing Link In Area 51's Past? The Drive.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26156/is-this-concept-art-of-a-mysterious-space-launch-mothership-a-missing-lin
56. West, M. (2021, April 15). "Pyramid UFO" - NEW FOOTAGE. It's Just Bokeh, not a
Pyramid. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r2oaQWmqkk.
57. ● Intro & Context Setting
● Critiques of Mick West’s UAP Hypotheses
○ West on Nimitz Tic Tac
○ The Problem with West’s Occamaric Ranking
○ West’s GIMBAL Rotating Glare Hypothesis
○ West on Corbell’s Drops
○ West on GO FAST not being fast
○ West on ODNI’s UAP Preliminary Assessment
● Appendix: Philosophical References on Skepticism,
Scientific Method, & Epistemology + Tweets
58. Unidentified Celebrity Review. (2021, June 21). UFO/UAP LIVESTREAM W/Mick West. YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqglLnqL62I.
Mick West:
This isn't my opinion. This isn't me saying,
"I'm an expert. The GO FAST video is
going slow and you should trust everyone
else." It's saying, "This is the math. These
are the numbers on the screen. These are
the angles. You can do it yourself." Or you
can find a high schooler to verify it.
59. West, M. (2021, March 11). TFTRH #52 - Luis Elizondo: UFOs, UAPs, AATIP, and TTSA. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eozxt_HnPu4.
Elizondo:
I can tell you that several individuals that were very qualified,
particularly in that collection platform were able to discern
that this was an object that was indeed moving
at a fairly fast speed. I can’t tell you what that speed is,
but I know what was indicated to me after quite a bit of
analysis.
And by the way, let me make this clear. This wasn’t the world
according to AATIP. We truly had some of the finest
engineers, scientists, and other organizations within the
intelligence community. Providing their data to us. Because
we’re not engineers, right. So we really needed those experts
to tell us what it is we were seeing.
And then the discussion with the pilots were also very
interesting. Because according to them. And again,
according to radar data -- not just what you
see in the camera. That the performance characteristics
of this object [GO FAST] that there was some very
compelling, um, [pause] signatures
associated with that video.
60. ● Intro & Context Setting
● Critiques of Mick West’s UAP Hypotheses
○ West on Nimitz Tic Tac
○ The Problem with West’s Occamaric Ranking
○ West’s GIMBAL Rotating Glare Hypothesis
○ West on Corbell’s Drops
○ West on GO FAST not being fast
○ West on ODNI’s UAP Preliminary Assessment
● Appendix: Philosophical References on Skepticism,
Scientific Method, & Epistemology + Tweets
61. Bye, K. (2021, June 30). Twitter thread in response to @MickWest https://twitter.com/kentbye/status/1410278020925984768.
62. Bye, K. (2021, June 30). Twitter thread in response to @MickWest https://twitter.com/kentbye/status/1410278020925984768.
63. Bye, K. (2021, June 30). Twitter thread in response to @MickWest https://twitter.com/kentbye/status/1410278020925984768.
64. Office of the Director of National Intelligence. (2021, June 25). Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. ODNI Office of Strategic Communications.
https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/reports-publications/reports-publications-2021/item/2223-preliminary-assessment-unidentified-aerial-phenomena.
65. Office of the Director of National Intelligence. (2021, June 25). Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. ODNI Office of Strategic Communications.
https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/reports-publications/reports-publications-2021/item/2223-preliminary-assessment-unidentified-aerial-phenomena.
66. Bye, K. (2021, June 30). Twitter thread in response to @MickWest https://twitter.com/kentbye/status/1410278020925984768.
67. Bye, K. (2021, June 30). Twitter thread in response to @MickWest https://twitter.com/kentbye/status/1410278020925984768.
68. Office of the Director of National Intelligence. (2021, June 25). Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. ODNI Office of Strategic Communications.
https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/reports-publications/reports-publications-2021/item/2223-preliminary-assessment-unidentified-aerial-phenomena.
69. Wolff, D.-I. (F. H. C. (n.d.). Radar Basics. Radartutorial. https://www.radartutorial.eu/11.coherent/co04.en.html.
70. West, M. (2021, June 25). Invalidating the claims of the more enthusiastic promoters of the ETH. https://t.co/LXC7y71OsZ. Twitter.
https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/1408559295566782464.
71. ● Intro & Context Setting
● Critiques of Mick West’s UAP Hypotheses
○ West on Nimitz Tic Tac
○ The Problem with West’s Occamaric Ranking
○ West’s GIMBAL Rotating Glare Hypothesis
○ West on Corbell’s Drops
○ West on GO FAST not being fast
○ West on ODNI’s UAP Preliminary Assessment
● Appendix: Philosophical References on Skepticism,
Scientific Method, & Epistemology + Tweets
72. Kuhn: Paradigm Shifts Catalyzed by Anomalies
Kuhn, Thomas S. 1996. The structure of scientific revolutions. Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press.
Graphics via http://faculty.humanities.uci.edu/bjbecker/revoltingideas/week1d.html
73. Bird, Alexander, "Thomas Kuhn", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Winter 2018 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), Retrieved from
https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/win2018/entries/thomas-kuhn/
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (SEP)
entry on Thomas Kuhn & Paradigm Shifts
74. Comesaña, Juan and Peter Klein, "Skepticism", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Winter 2019 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), Retrieved
from https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/win2019/entries/skepticism/.
SEP entry on Skepticism
75. @EthicalSkeptic vs @MickWest
Twitter, https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1386074680260431877
Twitter, https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1382351916584304643
76. The Ethical Skeptic (2012, 1 May). What is Social Skepticism? The Ethical Skeptic,
WordPress, Web, https://theethicalskeptic.com/2012/05/01/what-is-social-skepticism/
The Ethical Skeptic on Real Skepticism, Social [Fake] Skepticism, & Debunking
The Ethical Skeptic (2012, 1 May). What is Social Skepticism? The Ethical Skeptic,
WordPress, Web, https://theethicalskeptic.com/2012/05/01/what-is-social-skepticism/
The Ethical Skeptic (2012, 1 May), The New Debunker: Pseudo-Skeptic Sleuth. The Ethical
Skeptic, WordPress, Web,
https://theethicalskeptic.com/2012/05/01/what-is-social-skepticism/
The Ethical Skeptic (2019, 4 March). A New Ethic. The Ethical Skeptic,
WordPress, Web,
https://theethicalskeptic.com/2012/05/01/what-is-social-skepticism/
77. @EthicalSkeptic: “Once plurality
has been necessitated under
Ockham’s Razor, it cannot be
dismissed by skepticism alone.”
Twitter, https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1374801011857035268
The Ethical Skeptic (2019, 28
September), The Scientific Method.
The Ethical Skeptic, WordPress, Web,
https://theethicalskeptic.com/2019/09/28
/the-scientific-method/
78. The Ethical Skeptic: Three Types of Reason
The Ethical Skeptic (2017, 25 June). The Three Types of Reason. The Ethical Skeptic, WordPress, Web,
https://theethicalskeptic.com/2017/06/25/the-thee-types-of-reason/
79. The Ethical Skeptic’s Map of Inference Draw
The Ethical Skeptic (2019, 4 March), The Map of Inference. The Ethical Skeptic, WordPress, Web,
https://theethicalskeptic.com/2019/03/04/the-map-of-inference/
80. Hepburn, Brian and Hanne Andersen, "Scientific Method", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Summer 2021 Edition), Edward N. Zalta
(ed.), Retrieved from https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/sum2021/entries/scientific-method/.
Recently updated SEP entry on Scientific Method
81. Steup, Matthias and Ram Neta, "Epistemology", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Fall 2020 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), Retrieved
from https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/fall2020/entries/epistemology/.
SEP entry on Epistemology & Knowledge Production
82. Fidler, Fiona and John Wilcox, "Reproducibility of Scientific Results", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Summer 2021 Edition), Edward
N. Zalta (ed.), Retrieved from https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/sum2021/entries/scientific-reproducibility/.
Is reproducibility the metric for scientific method?
83. Boyd, Nora Mills and James Bogen, "Theory and Observation in Science", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Summer 2021 Edition),
Edward N. Zalta (ed.), Retrieved from https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/sum2021/entries/science-theory-observation/.
Another updated SEP update on “Theory & Observation in Science”
84. Forrest, Peter, "The Epistemology of Religion", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Fall 2021 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), forthcoming
Retrieved from https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/fall2021/entries/religion-epistemology/.
Another recent SEP update on “Epistemology of Religion”
85. Stoljar, Daniel, "Physicalism", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Summer 2021 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), Retrieved from
https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/sum2021/entries/physicalism/.
Another recent SEP update on Physicalism
86. Goldstein, Sheldon, "Bohmian Mechanics", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Fall 2021 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), forthcoming
Retrieved from https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/fall2021/entries/qm-bohm/.
Another recent SEP update on Bohmian Mechanics
87. Hansson, Sven Ove, "Science and Pseudo-Science", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Summer 2021 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.),
Retrieved from https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/sum2021/entries/pseudo-science/>.
The Demarcation Problem in the Philosophy of Science
88. Sociocultural stigmas & taboos on UAPs still holding back data collection
Office of the Director of National Intelligence. (2021, June 25). Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. ODNI Office of Strategic Communications.
https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/reports-publications/reports-publications-2021/item/2223-preliminary-assessment-unidentified-aerial-phenomena.
89. Galileo Galilei (1564 - 1642) showing the Doge Leonardo Donato and the Venetian Senate how to use his telescope, 1609. Painting by H. J.
Detouche, 1754. Retrieved from https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Galileo_Donato.jpg
Metaphoric Moment of Refusing to Look into Galileo’s Telescope
90. Hepburn, Brian and Hanne Andersen, "Scientific Method", The Stanford Encyclopedia of
Philosophy (Summer 2021 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), Retrieved from
https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/sum2021/entries/scientific-method/.
Feyerabend’s Against Method: Outline of
an Anarchistic Theory of Knowledge
FEYERABEND, P. K. (2010). Against Method: Outline of an Anarchistic
Theory of Knowledge (4th Edition). Verso.
91. Macleod, Christopher, "John Stuart Mill", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Summer 2020 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), Retrieved from
https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/sum2020/entries/mill/.
John Stuart Mill’s On Liberty & Freedom of Speech
92. Adam Bhala Lough. (2017). The New Radical. The Orchard. https://tubitv.com/movies/515476/the-new-radical.
John Milton’s Areopagitica featured in The New Radical Documentary
93. Quotes about John Milton’s Areopagitica in The New Radical Documentary
"In order for this animating contest of
liberty to really happen, for truth to
prevail, you have to have this wide open
marketplace of ideas and speech."
-- Cody Wilson
Adam Bhala Lough. (2017). The New Radical. The Orchard. https://tubitv.com/movies/515476/the-new-radical.
"The moment you still a voice by
destroying every copy of a book, you may
be preventing a future generation from
assembling a larger, fuller, more
complete understanding of the truth."
-- Raymond Frontain
94. Regarding the knowledge gained from eye witness testimony
Goldman, Alvin and Cailin O’Connor, "Social Epistemology", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Spring 2021 Edition), Edward N. Zalta
(ed.), Retrieved from https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/spr2021/entries/epistemology-social/.