David Bain, https://2020.ploneconf.org/speakers/david-bain
In this talk I trace my history of learning in the Plone community from mailing lists and IRC to stackoverflow and the online forum. The goal of this talk is to provide a "template" for newbies who want to confidently engage with the Plone community. The underlying principles can be applied to engaging with any tech community and will help anyone who wants to benefit from and contribute to open source communities.
https://2020.ploneconf.org/talks/asking-questions-for-the-benefit-of-your-future-self-growing-with-the-plone-community
2. How I met Plone
A friend introduced me to the
Zope ecosystem and I eventually
discovered Plone along the way
2
World Pilot
There was
no mask
(or guitar)
Super powers
4. This talk is about a framework
4
It's about Plone but not really
5. A repeatable
approach to learning
5
first
Definition Asking
second
Answering
third
Keeping Notes
last
Through the lens of my Plone experience
Help you survive the
weird and unexpected
David Bain
(pigeonflight)
VERY briefly
15. 15
Help!!!! I want to make nice website
Plone Fictional Newbie
i am trying to get Plone to make my website.
Where do I go in photoshop to publish a news
item?
My employer needs me to do this… I saw
something on the web that did Plone
Jandreas Aung
This question makes no sense. Please do not
post messages while drunk!!!
J
Sample
Fictional
horrible
revealing
question
I do not understand the
model or context
17. 17
UI for editing individual member data.. almost :(
Person not so newbiew
I'm working on a hack to edit individual member
data.
The principle seems sound but I seem to be
missing something…..
Actual
Question
(plone-users list
circa 2003)
basically I've hacked the
"personalize script" and "personalize_form"
from the above files I've created too new
files
"personalize_proxy" and
"personalize_form_proxy"
….
State the issue
What you tried
Title
with
Optional
emoji
18. 18
UI for editing individual member data.. almost :(
Actual
Response
(plone-users list
circa 2003)
Person in response
I have some code for this that will allow you to
edit arbitrary user
memberdata. actually i put together some code
from an email to the CMF
mailing list, a recipe from zopelabs and some
personal magic. ;)
I just haven't had a chance to post it anywhere.
em, let's see , in the meantime i'll see about
emailing you this offline
later today.
J
🎉
19. 19
Types of questions
● How might I
● Work in Progress Style
● Help me Plan
This is not a comprehensive list
20. 20
Persistent Login
Person not so newbiew
How can I create a persistent login for my users.
Similar to some of the more popular forum
products which allow users to
choose to stay logged in for a day, a week, a
month, forever etc.. Once the
access the site using the same computer they
remain logged in.
This is purely for convenience (I wouldn't
recommend this if you're
interested in security)
How might I
Question
(plone-users list
circa 2004)
State the issue
In this case you haven't
tried anything
Clear
title
21. 21
UI for editing individual member data.. almost :(
Person not so newbiew
I'm working on a hack to edit individual member
data.
…
Work in
Progress
Question
(plone-users list
circa 2003)
State the issue
In this case you haven't
tried anything
22. 22
Is Rapido a dead end?
Person not so newbiew
I have two sites that are using a "product" built on
rapido.
I've stopped building new things with it as I don't
know what the situation is with rapido at this
point. Is it a dead end?
Help me plan
Question
(plone community
discourse circa
2019)Person in response
I believe it is.
There is a security problem with it and it's
stopped being developed.
I've switched to using themefragments...
J
24. 24
Titles I've used
● Looking for a newsletter solution
● Docker and Plone for add-on
development
● Is Diazo a dead end
● Is Rapido a dead end
● Sort by order position in parent for
collections
28. 28
Why do we have plonecli and bobtemplates.plone?
Person not so newbiew
I still didn't grasp why do we have two packages
that are intended to do the same thing. Did we
have a discussion about plonecli here in the
forums?
Title
with
Optional
emoji
Actual
Question
Plone community
discourse circa
2018)
33. Let’s review the ideas
1. Avoid Revealing Questions
2. Structure your questions using (Title, Issue, What you
tried)
3. Good Titles
4. Include code as code (not screenshots)
5. Share what you're learning
6. Your future self loves notes
33
34. A few more Takeaways
1. Think long term (you don't want to always need
the answer in the next 5 minutes)
2. Sometimes the community moves
3. Spend time formulating your question
a. Clearly state your problem
b. Show that you're trying and have tried
c. Share what you've tried
d. Come back and share progress
4. If only for rubber duck debugging
34
35. I'm about to ________
Stop me if that's a
bad idea
35
Hopefully
You'll point
out a better
Idea too
