On September 3, 2015, Ovarian cancer survivors and FDA Patient Representatives Peg Ford, Susan Leighton and Annie Ellis were invited to provide the patient perspective at the recent Ovarian Cancer Endpoints Workshop hosted by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). This meeting was co-sponsored by the Society of Gynecologic Oncology (SGO), the American Association for Cancer Research (AACR) and the American Society of Clinical Oncology (ASCO). Many important topics to the ovarian cancer community were discussed, including novel clinical trial designs, biomarkers, and new classes of agents such as immunotherapies.
2. Annie Ellis
11-year Ovarian (2 recurrences) and 4-year Breast Cancer Survivor
FDA Patient Representative
CDMRP OCRP Integration Panel
Ovarian Cancer National Alliance
◦ Research Advocate
◦ Formerly on Special Programs (Education) and Conference Committees
◦ Conference Speaker; Survivors Teaching Students®
SHARE
◦ Helpline Peer
◦ Former Peer Support Group Facilitator
◦ “The Patient’s Perspective” presented at SGO 2008
NY Presbyterian/Columbia Woman to Woman Peer
OCRF: Clinical Trials Video; Symposium Speaker
2014 AACR Scientist↔Survivor Program
2013 Congressional Briefing on Ovarian Cancer for Society for
Women’s Health Research (SWHR)
Roswell Park Ovarian Cancer SPORE Patient Representative
3. It is a truthuniversallyacknowledged,
that a womanin possessionof
ovariancancer
must bein want of more
effectivetreatments.
Adapted from Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austin.
4. It is a truthuniversallyacknowledged,
that a womanin possessionof
ovariancancer
must bein want of more
SAFE & EFFECTIVE treatments.
Adapted from Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austin.
6. Endpoints in clinical trials: What do our patients
consider important? A survey of the Ovarian
Cancer National Alliance (OCNA)
Abstract presented at 2013 SGO Annual Meeting
Revealed disparities: Perceived outcome
Toxicity threshold (including financial toxicity)
Survey results incorporated into 2013 SGO White Paper
8. Methods
• SHARE - nonprofit organization of ovarian and breast cancer survivors
• Patient advocates identified women with ovarian, fallopian tube or primary
peritoneal cancer
• Pre-focus group questionnaire
– Demographics
• Age, ethnicity, profession
– Disease characteristics
– Treatment goals
– Quality of life priorities
• Focus group
– Physician moderated session
– Circular seating pattern
– Moderator guide utilized
– Session recorded, transcribed and coded
• Common themes identified and used to perform intra-case analysis by two
independent reviewers
9. Results
• 22 person focus group assembled
Pre-focus Group Questionnaire
Age (median, range)
65 years
(47-72)
Recurrent disease 13 (59%)
# of recurrences (median, range) 1 (1-9)
Currently receiving treatment 4 (18%)
Currently experiencing side
effects of treatment/disease
10 (45%)
Stage I
14%
Stage II
0%
Stage III
77%
Stage IV
9%
Stage of Disease
10. Common Themes from the Discussion Group
• PFS and OS hold minimal significance as treatment goals
– “I’m either sick or I’m not sick. The only reason I know of the terms
progression free and overall survival is because I’ve read studies.”
• Quality of life and minimizing side effects are most important
– “It’s about quality of life. I have to work everyday. The physical and
emotional are what hold importance.”
• Prefer an individualized approach to care focused on:
– Maintaining personal relationships
– Participating in life events
11. Common Themes from the Discussion Group
• Physicians should explore changing treatment goals over time
– “With each recurrence it became more clear that time is limited and
I started to prioritize differently.
– “My goals and expectations change as the disease progresses, I
have a new perspective on life.”
• Underreporting of treatment and disease related side effects
– 27% of women stated that they have underreported side effects
• Communication with physician is essential in treatment decisions
– “During a relapse there was a miscommunication between the
oncologist and the surgeon and I felt that tug and I didn’t know what
to do. I ended up going with my gut feeling and neither physician
truly understood my goals.”
12. A qualitative study of ovarian cancer survivors’
perceptions of endpoints and goals of care
RESULTS: The main themes identified were barriers to communication,
importance of frequent communication between patient and physician
regarding goals, and expectations of treatment changing with position along the
treatment continuum. One hundred percent of participants identified
communication with their physician as an essential element in determining
treatment course. However, only 14% reported having a discussion about
goals, values and perceptions with their physician preceding treatment
decisions. Participants reported that the terms progression free and overall
survival held minimal significance for them and instead they preferred an
individualized approach to care focusing on quality of life. Many women
underreported side effects with reasons ranging from fear of dose reductions
and additional tests to forgetting about symptoms due to anxiety.
CONCLUSIONS: An objective measure of treatment success meaningful to
survivors, physicians and regulators is, at present, elusive and may not exist.
Ideally, future trial design would place equal weight on quantitative and
qualitative measures and include information about goals of treatment.
15. Ovarian Cancer Survivorship Survey (August 2015)
Expectations
For those who expect Remission:
•64% expect it to last over 2 years (100/156)
•90% expect it to last 1 year or more (140/156)
For those who expect Stable Disease:
•80% expect it to last 1 year or more (44/55)
16. Ovarian Cancer Survivorship Survey (August 2015)
MINIMUM
Extension of PFS
Filtered by Expectation
Remission
Mode: 6 months
(36/156; 23%)
Second: 1-2 years
(29/156; 19 %)
60%: 1 or more years
(94/156)
Stable
Mode: 6 months
(17/55; 31%)
42%: 1 or more years
(23/55)
17. Ovarian Cancer Survivorship Survey (August 2015)
MINIMUM
Extension of OS
Filtered by Expectation
Remission
Mode: 1-2 years
(30/156; 19 %)
Second: 6 months
(28/156; 18 %)
71%: 1 or more years
(111/156)
Stable
Mode
Tie: 6 months/1-2 years
(9/55; 16%)
56%: 1 or more years
(31/55)
19. Ovarian Cancer Survivorship Survey (August 2015)
Cure
“Anything that has less than a 20% chance
of killing me immediately.”
“I would accept any side effects for a CURE!!”
“These were difficult to answer, since
there is virtually no chance of me having a cure…
I would not be willing to risk blindness or deafness.”
“I have experienced most of these already”
“If these were temporary I could probably tolerate all of them.”
“But not all at the same time… I expected that I might suffer
any of these …but if it were constant and severe
I would tolerate none. All things must pass!”
“Within reason. Quality of life and not exposing
my loved ones to watching a harsh death means more to me
than survival. I know where I am going.”
20. Ovarian Cancer Survivorship Survey (August 2015)
Remission
“None”
“Hard to check off here because
the remission time is not stated.”
“Again, I've had all these except two already.”
“I would tolerate these side effects if they were temporary.”
“…would depend on the expected severity and duration or
frequency. I would only tolerate minimal vision loss.”
“Whatever it takes to give me 5 yrs,
my daughter is 14 and I am a single mother”
“I'd rather not tolerate any side effects.”
“If remission was lengthy.”
“They can all be managed? right?”
21. Ovarian Cancer Survivorship Survey (August 2015)
Stable disease
“Obviously, I just want to live!”
“All of the above!”
“Basically already endure these...”
“As long as these are temporary
side effects and not permanent.”
“Depends on severity and QOL tradeoffs. This is a much
bigger issue if "stable disease" is the best you can get.
Facing this now, and learning that my tolerance for
side effects is pretty low under these conditions”
“Almost anything if it leads to a year or more.
Maybe a cure will come .”
22. “Questions don't really address the combo effects. I would be willing to
endure some severe effects on a temporary basis and some milder side
effects on a permanent basis…”
“I already have gone into bankruptcy and debt. I'm not willing to risk
more debt, as it is my husband who would be stuck with that debt. I could
tolerate moderate side effects if there was a good chance of achieving
remission”
“maybe...probably....for how long, how severe, how will it affect my life
and ability to live it? impossible to answer this honestly....fighting cancer is a
weekly, sometimes daily, wheel of fortune of issues that change....and you
make decisions and choices in that moment”
“I find these distinctions of cure vs. remission vs. stable disease not really
relevant from the patient perspective if a good QUALITY OF LIFE may be
maintained. If I could live for a significant period with stable disease AS IF I
am in remission, or AS IF I am disease free, then that would be really great.
You cannot tell from the outside and from patient behavior where patients are
in disease progression if they have a high quality of life - could you? From afar,
I don’t look sick at all….”
Ovarian Cancer Survivorship Survey (August 2015)
Side Effects Comments
23. Ovarian Cancer Survivorship Survey (August 2015)
“I've been in 5. I learned about 4 from my
doctors.”
“Access to clinical trial became available due
to testing of tumor. More of this needs to
happen. Totally changed the game for me, in
a life or death way.”
“to feel as if I did every single thing I could
to get a cure or very long remission”
24. Ovarian Cancer Survivorship Survey (August 2015)
“First trial they did not take my
insurance. The second time I had just
finished 6 months of chemo. Too
exhausted to enter into trial.”
“After careful study of the particular
trial, I preferred the standard of care
available. I did not want to risk one of
the severe possible side effects.”
“Trial was not available when I needed
treatment.”
“A trial that I would qualify for had just
been filled.”
“None suitable keeping a look out but
also needs to be an attainable
distance!”
“I'm still going through regular chemos
available”
25. Ovarian Cancer Survivorship Survey (August 2015)
Final Comments
“These questions are great, the trouble
is, when starting a new treatment, the
doctors don't know what side effects
the patient will experience, nor do they
know if the patient will become stable,
achieve remission or a cure. We can
tolerate a lot; particularly if we know
the outcome will be worth it. Trouble
is, there is no way of knowing that at
this time.”
“While I'm willing to risk a lot to save
my life, it only goes so far, and for so
long. As long as a treatment is doing
what it's supposed to, and I can
maintain some quality of life, I'm
willing to endure...”
“I am interested in specific long term
consequences of the disease and side
effects of treatment.”
“Quality of life is very important to me.
I would not take a medication that
would cause severe side effects and
only prolong life for a couple of
months…As a society, we need to look
at how we accept the inevitability of
death.”
“I would endure anything to be cured
of ovarian cancer I would do anything
to be in remission for ovarian cancer. I
would do anything to stabilize the
disease and not get worse.”
26. “It is our nature to survive. Most of us will find the strength to do
whatever it takes to insure our survival. But, chemo feels like a
slow killing. How does one heal something they are trying to kill?”
“I found it very difficult to answer the series on side effects I would
endure for cure, remission, stabilization, because my side effects
were not too terrible and my outlook is good enough that the
tradeoffs don't seem real to me right now.”
“I would do just about anything to hear the words, "You do not
have to worry about recurrence ever again. We have found a cure
for ovarian cancer.“
“I want to get well”
Ovarian Cancer Survivorship Survey (August 2015)
Final Comments
28. Summary: Until the cure…
Until molecularly-informed precision medicine and
more effective treatment options are widely
available, too many women will continue to
experience multiple recurrences, chronic disease,
end stage and death
► Predicative biomarkers
► QoL/PRO measures in clinical trials
► Patient-centered decision aids and tools for
informed, shared decision-making along the
entire treatment continuum
29. The work is not over until everyone has a chance
to have a lasting and meaningful Dance with NED.
No Evidence of Disease
Notas do Editor
Good afternoon & thank you’s
Here are some of the ways I serve the ovarian cancer community
I’m just a foot soldier
Start with a quote from my AACR SSP poster
Oops, we’re at the FDA, so…
That’s better!
Ovarian cancer is complicated and we need so much
This is often what it feels like for patients to be involved in treatment selection, even up front.
What are you going to get? Cure? Remission? Stable Disease?
Might have an idea of S/Es, but won’t really know until we try
Willing to try a lot of things to stay alive long enough for researchers to find the cure.
Until more people are cured, recurrence will continue to be a reality; controlling disease has great value.
It is important to determine who will benefit and avoid unnecessary toxicities
NEED MORE PREDICATIVE BIOMARKERS for TX selection!
COMMONLY MISSING in TX selection: Exploration of goals and priorities—what’s important to people living w/ovca?
Very happy to participate in this survey back in 2012.
Attended 2013 SGO when this was presented—a buzz when through the room— Docs sitting behind me said, “This is good stuff.”
Great surprise that doctors’ perceptions differed from patients’ regarding perceived outcome and toxicity thresholds
Could this actually be a language disparity?
Led to NYU/SHARE Collaboration
Study was published in the Journal of Gynecologic Oncology
Objective: to explore the endpoints communication gap between physicians and patients
Thank you to my colleagues at NYU, Stephanie Blank and Melissa Frey for the amazing opportunity to collaborate on this important work and for sharing the slides
As well as my hard-working advocate colleagues at SHARE
Advocates invited women to participate in a physician-moderated focus group
Distributed a questionnaire to collect demographics and preliminary information
Session was brilliantly moderated
Here are some of the demographics.
Focus Group Themes:
Without context, the term “Progression Free Survival” doesn’t mean much to patients.
Especially with slight improvements in very small increments of time.
When PFS question came up: dead silence
Importance of QoL
Yes, we all want more time, but what that time looks like is very important
Take a moment to discuss reasons for under-reporting side effects:
Forgot to report b/c anxiety at appointments
Fear of progression of disease
Avoid additional tests
Fear of dose reductions or that treatment would be stopped
Do not want to be perceived as complaining
Personal: “worthy of saving” AND Oliver Twist momentI perceived treatment to be working and I wanted to continue even when treatment was causing more harm than benefit
Made me realize how important it is to accurately CAPTURE QoL/PRO measures during CLTRs
Because it is equally important to know what else is being affected besides the cancer, especially with targeted therapies and combinations
Capturing QoL/PRO measures needs to be a PRIORITY
Equal weight for qualitative measures
For today, important to reach out to the survivor community: Expanded and blended SGO/OCNA, NYU/SHARE surveys.
TY to OCNA Inspire, SHARE email blast, FB Sisterhood, Yahoo Grp and everyone who reposted and shared w/others
Survey open August 1-12Over 400 site visits with 328 consented & completed surveys
Any errors in survey design and analysis are my own
Apologies: busy slides, short on time, will go through quickly.
Here are some demographics:
Not shown 93% Caucasian (Hispanic, Black, Asian, other)
No surprise that most were dx at advanced stage
70% dx within last 4 years
>20% Mutation carriers
Other mutations (appear to be from BROCA Panel) included RAD51D, BRIP1, Chek2
Disease Status
Almost half have experienced recurrence (44%)
And quite a few were on active treatment (37%)
Over two-thirds reported experiencing unresolved S/E’s (68%)
70% Off TX/NO RCR reported side effects (108/149)
50% of those reported neuropathy (74/149)
Also fatigue and cognitive issues
46% reported multiple unresolved S/E’s (68/149)
About 12% reported experiencing symptoms of advancing disease
Over 70% w/symptoms also had unresolved side effects (27/38)
Treatment Expectations
When selecting treatment, what is your expectation?
Almost half chose Remission.Split between RCR (48%, 75/156) and NonRCR (52%, 81/156)
Cure: Significantly more NonRCR(NonRCR: 82% , 93/115 vs RCR: 18%, 21/115)
Stable: Significantly more RCR (RCR: 83%, 41/55 vs NonRCR: 17%, 9/55)
Expectations about how long remission or stable disease would last was quite high.
Next, participants were asked to choose MINIMUM amount of PFS that would be considered meaningful or “worth it”
NOTE: For OCNA/SGO survey, choices 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5+ months(Discussion to expand to find “sweet spot”)
Again, the bar appears to be set pretty high
Since those expecting cure are looking for “forever,” I filtered by those expecting Remission and Stable Disease
Then what was MINIMUM amount of OS that would be considered meaningful or “worth it”
Also filtered by expectation of Remission or Stable Disease
Then, Which of these is most meaningful to you?Only one answer could be chosen:
Total amount of time
Easily managed S/E’s or Amount of time off treatment
Ability to engage in daily activities or attend a single event
“Total amount of time” was selected slightly more frequently than “Ability to engage in daily activities”
But combining QoL answers revealed QoL preferenceNOTE: “Others” were all QoL related.
INTERESTING: When filtered by status (RCR, S/E's, Symptoms) “Total amount of time” remained in 38-44% range, but differences were noted when filtered by expectation (cure 53%, remission 31%, stable 34%,)
Next came a series of questions about the tolerability of S/E’s, which I handled differently than the 2012 OCNA/SGO survey
First, type of side effects considered tolerable if the goal is cure
Respondents could choose more than one answer
Manageable, Mild, Moderate, Severe?
Temporary or Permanent?
Financial toxicity
All/none
And then respondents were asked to “sign up” for specific S/E's from a long—but not comprehensive—list
The comments were quite powerful. I wish there was time to share them all.
“20% chance”; “blindness/deafness”; “not all at the same time”; “Within reason”
Then same questions about S/E's if the goal is remission
With equally impressive comments
“temporary”; “depend on the severity/duration/frequency”; “If remission was lengthy”; “They can all be managed? right?”
Here are the responses if the goal is to maintain stable disease
Needs further analysis
All three (Cure, Remission, Stable disease) showed:
Preference for S/E's that can be managed with meds
Same Top 3 and Bottom 3 S/E's(Top 3: Fatigue, Hair Loss, Weight change)(Bottom 3: Bowel obstruction, Breathing issues, Infection)
Observation: As this series of questions progressed, more and more respondents chose to not answer (8, 21, 31). Possibly indicating discomfort with the subject, maybe survey fatigue, or not realizing that these were different questions.
And here are a few particularly insightful and eloquent comments about side effects.
I added bold to highlight some compelling phrases
“wheel of fortune” of changing issues
“If I could live for a significant period with stable disease AS IF I am in remission, or AS IF I am disease free, then that would be really great…”
At this point, I’d like to express my deepest gratitude to the many women living with and beyond ovarian cancer who took the time to take this survey
I am so thankful for their trust and for the privilege of sharing all of this here at this meeting
I always leave a place for comments at the end of my surveys
Deeply moved by what is expressed in this space
There were also requests to study rare subtypes.
Here are more final comments
IMPORTANT: “my outlook is good enough that the tradeoffs don't seem real to me right now.”
This last comment pretty much sums it up:We all just want to get well.
Before I conclude, poker game analogy to explain to peers
Cards: Tx options; Chips: costs to our bodies
Expand options w/clinical trials and maybe return to something that has worked in the past
The more options and chips we can hold on to, the longer we can stay in the game
We lack adequate decision aids
NEED PATIENT-CENTERED tools for informed decision making
Time Trade Offs in tiny increments (month) are really difficult, especially up front when cure is on the table
Put PATIENT first: examine current status & life priorities
Use Algorithms to calculate risk & potential impact of therapy
Develop one tool to use throughout entire TX continuum
It can be done! NEED to include QoL/PRO measures in CLTRs
Thank you for your attention and continued commitment to improve the treatment landscape for women w/ovarian cancer.
Innovative Clinical Trial Design is coming up after the break
The most valuable resource is the clinical trial participant.
Make their participation count no matter what and capture QoL/PRO measures!
Thrilled when everyone works together with regulatory agencies to avoid poor trial design.
Consider having an advocate at the table to provide valuable insight (like it's not cool to randomize a participant twice within the same trial)
Finally, survivors don’t use the word “Cure” a lot, but it’s what we continue to hope for
Even “Cancer-Free” can feel misleading
Our community likes to use “No Evidence of Disease” or “Dancing with NED”
Picture: OCNA conference survivor party July 2015
So much recent progress--It feels like we are SO CLOSE!!
Let’s get everyone a lasting and meaningful Dance with NED.
We are counting on you to lead the way!