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Stancil Ford Shelley, Jr. June 2, 2009
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1 A. You are 100 percent right. Sir, a lot of 1 the public domain ever since?
2 the things that I did -- and I tried to help Larry get 2 A. No, because they didn't ask me these
3 his child because I felt guilty, and Larry Birkhead 3 questions and we didn't get this detailed into it.
4 had his hand in a lot of stuff. 4 Q. But if they had asked you, you would have
5 Q. Well, do you think John O'Quinn and McCabe 5 told them the same thing you told me today?
6 had their hands in a lot of stuff too? 6 A. I would have told them the same thing
7 A. See, I don't know John O'Quinn. And Neil 7 today.
8 McCabe, I met him a couple of times, but, see, I 8 Q. Do you still have possession of any of the
9 learned to stay away from these people. 9 items that were taken from Horizons in February of
10 Q. What did Neil McCabe tell you he was trying 10 2007?
11 to do to Howard? 11 A. No, sir.
12 A. Neil McCabe had more to do with Susan Brown 12 Q. But you still have a copy of the clown
13 than me. I don't know. 13 video?
14 Q. You said you had met with him one time. 14 A. No, sir. I give the clown video to Susan
15 A. Oh, I did. 15 Brown. I had a copy made and give it to Susan Brown.
16 Q. Did you meet with him any other times other 16 Q. So you do not have at the present time
17 than what you told me about? 17 possession of any of the items or copies of any items
18 A. They met here. 18 that were taken from Horizons in February of 2007?
19 Q. You told me about that. That was with 19 A. I have nothing.
20 Wilma Vice, Neil McCabe, Don Clark and I think you 20 Q. Does Melanie have any of those items?
21 told me John O'Quinn; right? 21 A. I don't think Melanie has anything.
22 A. Not John. 22 Q. Have you ever given Melanie any of the
23 Q. It was Neil McCabe, Don Clark and Wilma 23 items?
24 Vice? 24 A. No, sir.
25 A. Yeah. 25 Q. To your knowledge, has Melanie ever been in

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