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Missed triggers
1. Missed Triggers II
Return of the Forgotten Ones
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt
By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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2. What is a Missed Trigger?
• Triggered Ability has to trigger
• Controlling player “forgets” it
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4. When is a Trigger Forgotten?
•Target required
•Change in visible game state
•Choice required
•Rule-changing
•Non-visible effect
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5. What is not a Missed Trigger?
• Trigger resolved partially or incorrectly
• Game got rushed past the Trigger
• Trigger that makes delayed trigger
• Trigger that makes copies
• Trigger without impact
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7. What has changed?
• Missed delayed triggers
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8. Remedy
Still depends on the situation
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9. Possible Situations
1. Optional action
• You may
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11. Optional action
• As a Player: try to remember next time
• As an Opponent: nothing
• As a Judge: nothing
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12. Possible Situations
2. Mandatory Action
• Usually beneficial
• Usually detrimental
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13. Seminar on Missed Triggers – 2nd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Oirschot
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14. Beneficial mandatory trigger
•As a Player: try to remember next time
•As an Opponent: you can call a Judge
•As a Judge:
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•Only if asked by Opponent
•Put ability in proper place, or
on bottom of stack
•No Warnings
15. Detrimental mandatory trigger
•As a Player: try to remember next time
•As an Opponent: you can call a Judge
•As a Judge:
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•Issue a Warning
•Put ability in proper place, or
on bottom of stack if asked
16. Possible Situations
3. Default action
• If you don’t.../...unless
• Associated with choice made by controller
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18. Default action
•As a Player: try to remember next time
•As an Opponent: you can call a Judge
•As a Judge:
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•Issue a Warning
•Always resolve default action (2
possibilities)
•Everything still legal?
19. Possible Situations
4. Delayed Trigger
• Changes zone of an object
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21. Default action
•As a Player: try to remember next time
•As an Opponent: you can call a Judge
•As a Judge:
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•Issue a Warning?
•Always resolve default action (2
possibilities)
•Everything still legal?
22. Possible Situations
5. You don’t want to
•An ability you control triggers
•You know about the trigger
•You choose to ignore it
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23. You don’t want to
•No longer a Missed Trigger
•Unsporting Conduct - Cheating
•Handle it as such
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25. What about the opponent?
•Is never issued a Warning
•Can call a Judge:
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•Duration of the effect has
not yet expired
OR
•Trigger was missed less than
a turn ago
26. Recapitulation
•Warnings for unintentionally missed
detrimental trigger
•Only intervene if:
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•Called by the Opponent
•You want to issue a Warning
•You suspect Shenanigans
27. Philosophical Grounds
•Common and invisible
•Remember your own triggers
•Don’t have to play the game for your Opponent
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28. Adventure Time!
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29. Adventure I
•Neville controls a Battlewise Hoplite
•Albus attacks with a Nessian Asp
•Neville casts Savage Surge on the Hoplite
•Neville scries and puts the card on the bottom
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30. Adventure I
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31. Adventure I
•Both players are now tapped out
•Neville blocks with the Hoplite
•Albus says: “ok, so the Hoplite dies”
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32. Adventure I
•Do you interfere?
•Infraction?
•Ruling?
•Penalties?
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33. Adventure II
•Aragog controls a Desecration Demon
•Nagini has no creatures, but 4 land untapped
•Aragog says: “declare attack?”
•Nagini says: “sure!”
•Aragog attacks with the Demon
•Nagini calls the Judge
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34. Adventure II
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36. Adventure III
•In Narcissa’s last turn, she casted Akroan Horse
an gave it to Arabella
•Arabella untaps, and draws a card
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37. Adventure III
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38. Adventure III
•Do you interfere?
•Infraction?
•Ruling?
•Penalties?
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39. Questions?
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