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Podcasting at CPUT –
technology for everyone?
Daniela Gachago
Candice Livingston
Eunice Ivala
What is podcasting?
Benefits of podcasting
• Students take more active role – explore / create podcasts on
their own (e.g. Ng’ambi and Lombe, 2012:191)
• Different learning styles: learning through listening (e.g. Clark and
Walsh, 2004:4, Scutter et al., 2010:181 and Dale, 2007:3)

• Access: wherever and whenever (e.g. Lee and Chan, 2007:207 and
Ng’ambi and Lombe, 2012:191)

• Listening to archived lectures (e.g. Guertin, 2010:6)
Benefits ctd
• Alleviates anxiety
(e.g. Chester et al., 2011:245)

• Improves reflection and engagement (e.g. Lee
and Chan, 2007:216)

• Especially useful for ESL students
(e.g. Ng’ambi and Lombe 2008)
Challenges and limitations of
podcasting?
• Lecturer workload (e.g. Sloan, 2005, Menzies, 2005 and
Blaisdell, 2005)

• Barrier for students or lecturers who are technically
challenged (e.g. Moss, 2006) or available technical
support (e.g. Chabolla and Leh, 2009: 126)

• Ability of receiver to decode messages (e.g.
Heinich, 1982)

• Socio-economic barriers – access to equipment
• Decrease in student attendance (e.g. Chabolla and
Leh, 2009: 126) although Lonn and Teasley (2009:91) found
otherwise
• Shortcomings in the area of providing complex
and/or detailed information that needs to be heavily
processed, logically deconstructed, committed to
memory, or otherwise requires a great deal of
concentration (e.g. Chan and Lee, 2005:64)
Examples of use from our project
• Recording of lectures – later edited and made
available on Blackboard:
– Health Sciences, Education and Engineering

• Provision of introductions / summaries
– Food Tech and Programming

• Feedback on group assignments
– Accounting
Old hat?
Socially inclusive technologies?
a technology that does not exclude any
learner, neither based on their gender, nor
age, nor socioeconomic/racial background
Podcasting as socially inclusive
technology?
Studies have been conducted in the arena of
-

Distance learning (Bolinger et al.,2010:718),
Economics (French and McDonald, 2008:7) and
Reading theatre (Vasinda and McLeod, 2011:495)
Students with disabilities or who need extra support (e.g.
Tapp, 2013:5)

which indicate that podcasting proves to be
inclusive.
2012/2013 PODCASTING IN HE - STUDY
Context
•
•
•
•

UoT in Western Cape
Merger of a variety of Technicons and Colleges
Lowest fees in the Western Cape
Large amount of ‘disadvantaged students’ or
Non-Traditional Students (first ones to
University, ill prepared, mature, working, ESL)
The study
•
•
•
•
•

RIFTAL funded
2012/2013
6 lecturers, 8 courses
434 students
Survey (closed ended and open ended)
Course Title

Abbreviation

Level

Focus

Programme

Faculty

FOOD

Year 2

Theory

N.D Food Technology

AS

ACC

Year 4

Theory

SS

Year 2

Practical

NHC: Financial Information
Systems

BUS

Communication Skills

COMM

Year 1

Theory/practic
al

ECP (Electrical Engineering)

ENG

Cell Biology (2012)

CELL12

Year 1

Theory

BHSc Medical Laboratory
Science

HW

Molecular Biology (2012)

MOL

Year 4

Theory

BTECH

HW

Molecular Biology (2013)

CELL13

Year 4

Theory

BTECH

HW

EDU

Year 1/2

Theory

BED

EDU

Food Technology 1
Accounting
Software Skills 1

English first additional
language (2013)

BUS
Course Title

Abbreviation

Level

Class size

Surveys
completed

Response rate

FOOD

Year 2

105

67

64%

ACC

Year 4

45 FT
(31 PT)

24

53%

SS

Year 2

48

47

98%

Communication Skills

COMM

Year 1

84

12

14%

Cell Biology (2012)

CELL12

Year 1

56

49

88%

Molecular Biology (2012)

MOL

Year 4

33

21

64%

Molecular Biology (2013)

CELL13

Year 4

250

115

46%

EDU

Year 1/2

120

99

83%

Food Technology 1
Accounting

Software Skills 1

English first additional
language (2013)
Total

434
Research questions
1. Access and use for differently positioned
students
2. Models and perceived usefulness
3. Benefits and challenges of podcasting
RQ1: USE AND ACCESS FOR
DIFFERENTLY POSITIONED STUDENTS
Gender

2012

%

2013

%

Total

%

Female

140

66

178

88

318

77%

Male

71

44

24

12

95

23%

Total

211

413

100%

Age

2012

%

2013

%

Total

%

under 18 yrs

2

1

0

0

2

0%

18-23 yrs

4

2

125

61

129

31%

24-30 yrs

36

17

49

24

85

21%

over 30 yrs

166

80

32

16

198

48%

Total

208

414

100%

Home language

2012

%

2013

%

isiXhosa

80

38

22

12

102

26%

English

43

20

20

11

63

16%

Afrikaans

31

15

117

66

148

38%

French

27

13

0

27

7%

Other African

25

12

11

44

11%

Other

4

2

0

4

1%

Total

210

388

100%

202

206

19

178

Total

%
Use of podcasts

64%

of students
listened
to podcasts

gender

home language

75%

24-30
years
Level of engagement (amount)
listened
to all or most
podcasts

43%
50%

gender

African home
language

84%

30+
Level of engagement (intensity)
listened
three times
or more

47%
60%

gender

African home
language

78%

30+
Access

80%
52%
51%
Accessed
on LMS

gender

Off campus
access

Listened
from laptop
RQ2: PERCEPTION ON / IMPACT OF
COURSE DESIGN
CELL/MOL COURSE
used
podcasts

81%
69%
65%

listened to all/
most of podcasts

Listened to three
or more of podcasts
Is podcasting only useful for revision?

28%
42%
30%
before
exam

regular use
during semester
no specific
pattern
Does podcasting encourage passive
learning?

51%
33%
22%
take
notes

visit
course notes/
modules
do nothing
RQ3: BENEFITS AND CHALLENGES
OF PODCASTING
Benefits of podcasting

60%
56%
59%
Provision of
intro/summaries

Revision
tool

Guidance in
how to prepare
for exams
Podcasts helped me…

65%

stay
focused
structure weekly
learning activities

64%
39%

make good use
of my time
Podcasts …

62%

Liked format
Helped
stimulate
interest

60%
58%

Were
Enjoyable/
motivational
when I listen to the podcasts it helps me to
understand the work, it unconfuses me
(female, 18-23, Afrikaans)

Help me catch up for the days was feeling sleepy at class and
the days I was not present at class
(female, 18-23, African language)

I could access them anytime, if the lecture
went by too quick I could always go back. The
fact that it feels like I'm in class again …
(female, 24-30, African language)

I liked the fact that in class it is not easy to stop the
lecturer and ask her to repeat stuff for me but on
podcasts I could stop, pause, rewind, fast forward
anytime I wanted to. (female, 18-23, African language)

I understand it better than normal speech
(female, 18-23, Afrikaans)
it is really like you are in the same room with the lecturer
(female, 18-23)

Its like you are still in class. I also go back and
relate to it. I wish I had used it since the start
of the first term (female, 18-23, African language)

Taught me how to manage time
regarding school work and how
to be time conscious
(female, 18-23, African language)

Reminded of being in the lecture.
Triggered my memory of what was
said before It helped me as i am
audio learner (female, 18-23, English)
Podcasts for ESL students?

37%

said podcasts
are particularly useful
for ESL students

75%

of African
home language
speakers
Reasons for Non-Use?

47%
25%
17%
11%
No relevance

Lack of knowledge
Technical difficulties
Lack of time
Limits of podcasting
I don’t find it interesting. I prefer sitting in a
class listening to a lector, and be able to ask
questions. Podcasts are more like a one way
thing to me. (female, 18-23, Afrikaans)
what could be improved in the podcasts that i
have listened to is that the teacher could ask for
more student participation because right now
all we hear is just our teachers point of view and
no student input. (female, 24-30, Afrikaans)
if they do the podcasts ,they can put in visuals to make it easier to
remember what’s been said. instead of just listening who can also
see the work and then you will remember better
(female, 18-23, Afrikaans)

Podcast makes it easy for students to stay
away from class. They simply listen to the
podcast and get all the information we get in
class. (female, 18-23, Afrikaans)
Discussion and conclusions
• Definition of emerging technologies:
context-based (Veletsianos 2010)
• High amount of disadvantaged
students / proliferance of African
home language and resulting
challenges with academic
preparedness
• Call for basic / inclusive adoption of
technology – Low threshold
applications (Gilbert, TLT group), socially
inclusive technology
• Particular focus on female, mature
and African home language speakers
(Non-traditional students)

I wish all subjects had podcasts
especially theory subjects. We
want More!!! (male, 18-23, African
home language)
Conclusions
•

•
•
•
•

•
•

Most important: timely upload of
podcasts
Cater for different learning styles
(auditive, visual, textual)
Content heavy modules
Learning beyond the classroom /
improved student engagement
Not a ‘totally mobile’ technology –
used in usual study
context, quiet, ability to take notes
Allowing for cognitive strategies
synonymous for self-regulated learning
Performativity or style of lecturing
important

The podcasts are a very good
motivational way of studying, they
are understandable and just
awesome. I love them
(female, English, 18-23)
ANY QUESTIONS?
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Podcasting - a technology for everyone?

  • 1. Podcasting at CPUT – technology for everyone? Daniela Gachago Candice Livingston Eunice Ivala
  • 3. Benefits of podcasting • Students take more active role – explore / create podcasts on their own (e.g. Ng’ambi and Lombe, 2012:191) • Different learning styles: learning through listening (e.g. Clark and Walsh, 2004:4, Scutter et al., 2010:181 and Dale, 2007:3) • Access: wherever and whenever (e.g. Lee and Chan, 2007:207 and Ng’ambi and Lombe, 2012:191) • Listening to archived lectures (e.g. Guertin, 2010:6)
  • 4. Benefits ctd • Alleviates anxiety (e.g. Chester et al., 2011:245) • Improves reflection and engagement (e.g. Lee and Chan, 2007:216) • Especially useful for ESL students (e.g. Ng’ambi and Lombe 2008)
  • 5. Challenges and limitations of podcasting? • Lecturer workload (e.g. Sloan, 2005, Menzies, 2005 and Blaisdell, 2005) • Barrier for students or lecturers who are technically challenged (e.g. Moss, 2006) or available technical support (e.g. Chabolla and Leh, 2009: 126) • Ability of receiver to decode messages (e.g. Heinich, 1982) • Socio-economic barriers – access to equipment
  • 6. • Decrease in student attendance (e.g. Chabolla and Leh, 2009: 126) although Lonn and Teasley (2009:91) found otherwise • Shortcomings in the area of providing complex and/or detailed information that needs to be heavily processed, logically deconstructed, committed to memory, or otherwise requires a great deal of concentration (e.g. Chan and Lee, 2005:64)
  • 7. Examples of use from our project • Recording of lectures – later edited and made available on Blackboard: – Health Sciences, Education and Engineering • Provision of introductions / summaries – Food Tech and Programming • Feedback on group assignments – Accounting
  • 9. Socially inclusive technologies? a technology that does not exclude any learner, neither based on their gender, nor age, nor socioeconomic/racial background
  • 10. Podcasting as socially inclusive technology? Studies have been conducted in the arena of - Distance learning (Bolinger et al.,2010:718), Economics (French and McDonald, 2008:7) and Reading theatre (Vasinda and McLeod, 2011:495) Students with disabilities or who need extra support (e.g. Tapp, 2013:5) which indicate that podcasting proves to be inclusive.
  • 12. Context • • • • UoT in Western Cape Merger of a variety of Technicons and Colleges Lowest fees in the Western Cape Large amount of ‘disadvantaged students’ or Non-Traditional Students (first ones to University, ill prepared, mature, working, ESL)
  • 13. The study • • • • • RIFTAL funded 2012/2013 6 lecturers, 8 courses 434 students Survey (closed ended and open ended)
  • 14. Course Title Abbreviation Level Focus Programme Faculty FOOD Year 2 Theory N.D Food Technology AS ACC Year 4 Theory SS Year 2 Practical NHC: Financial Information Systems BUS Communication Skills COMM Year 1 Theory/practic al ECP (Electrical Engineering) ENG Cell Biology (2012) CELL12 Year 1 Theory BHSc Medical Laboratory Science HW Molecular Biology (2012) MOL Year 4 Theory BTECH HW Molecular Biology (2013) CELL13 Year 4 Theory BTECH HW EDU Year 1/2 Theory BED EDU Food Technology 1 Accounting Software Skills 1 English first additional language (2013) BUS
  • 15. Course Title Abbreviation Level Class size Surveys completed Response rate FOOD Year 2 105 67 64% ACC Year 4 45 FT (31 PT) 24 53% SS Year 2 48 47 98% Communication Skills COMM Year 1 84 12 14% Cell Biology (2012) CELL12 Year 1 56 49 88% Molecular Biology (2012) MOL Year 4 33 21 64% Molecular Biology (2013) CELL13 Year 4 250 115 46% EDU Year 1/2 120 99 83% Food Technology 1 Accounting Software Skills 1 English first additional language (2013) Total 434
  • 16. Research questions 1. Access and use for differently positioned students 2. Models and perceived usefulness 3. Benefits and challenges of podcasting
  • 17. RQ1: USE AND ACCESS FOR DIFFERENTLY POSITIONED STUDENTS
  • 18. Gender 2012 % 2013 % Total % Female 140 66 178 88 318 77% Male 71 44 24 12 95 23% Total 211 413 100% Age 2012 % 2013 % Total % under 18 yrs 2 1 0 0 2 0% 18-23 yrs 4 2 125 61 129 31% 24-30 yrs 36 17 49 24 85 21% over 30 yrs 166 80 32 16 198 48% Total 208 414 100% Home language 2012 % 2013 % isiXhosa 80 38 22 12 102 26% English 43 20 20 11 63 16% Afrikaans 31 15 117 66 148 38% French 27 13 0 27 7% Other African 25 12 11 44 11% Other 4 2 0 4 1% Total 210 388 100% 202 206 19 178 Total %
  • 19. Use of podcasts 64% of students listened to podcasts gender home language 75% 24-30 years
  • 20. Level of engagement (amount) listened to all or most podcasts 43% 50% gender African home language 84% 30+
  • 21. Level of engagement (intensity) listened three times or more 47% 60% gender African home language 78% 30+
  • 23. RQ2: PERCEPTION ON / IMPACT OF COURSE DESIGN
  • 24. CELL/MOL COURSE used podcasts 81% 69% 65% listened to all/ most of podcasts Listened to three or more of podcasts
  • 25. Is podcasting only useful for revision? 28% 42% 30% before exam regular use during semester no specific pattern
  • 26. Does podcasting encourage passive learning? 51% 33% 22% take notes visit course notes/ modules do nothing
  • 27. RQ3: BENEFITS AND CHALLENGES OF PODCASTING
  • 28. Benefits of podcasting 60% 56% 59% Provision of intro/summaries Revision tool Guidance in how to prepare for exams
  • 29. Podcasts helped me… 65% stay focused structure weekly learning activities 64% 39% make good use of my time
  • 31. when I listen to the podcasts it helps me to understand the work, it unconfuses me (female, 18-23, Afrikaans) Help me catch up for the days was feeling sleepy at class and the days I was not present at class (female, 18-23, African language) I could access them anytime, if the lecture went by too quick I could always go back. The fact that it feels like I'm in class again … (female, 24-30, African language) I liked the fact that in class it is not easy to stop the lecturer and ask her to repeat stuff for me but on podcasts I could stop, pause, rewind, fast forward anytime I wanted to. (female, 18-23, African language) I understand it better than normal speech (female, 18-23, Afrikaans)
  • 32. it is really like you are in the same room with the lecturer (female, 18-23) Its like you are still in class. I also go back and relate to it. I wish I had used it since the start of the first term (female, 18-23, African language) Taught me how to manage time regarding school work and how to be time conscious (female, 18-23, African language) Reminded of being in the lecture. Triggered my memory of what was said before It helped me as i am audio learner (female, 18-23, English)
  • 33. Podcasts for ESL students? 37% said podcasts are particularly useful for ESL students 75% of African home language speakers
  • 34. Reasons for Non-Use? 47% 25% 17% 11% No relevance Lack of knowledge Technical difficulties Lack of time
  • 35. Limits of podcasting I don’t find it interesting. I prefer sitting in a class listening to a lector, and be able to ask questions. Podcasts are more like a one way thing to me. (female, 18-23, Afrikaans) what could be improved in the podcasts that i have listened to is that the teacher could ask for more student participation because right now all we hear is just our teachers point of view and no student input. (female, 24-30, Afrikaans) if they do the podcasts ,they can put in visuals to make it easier to remember what’s been said. instead of just listening who can also see the work and then you will remember better (female, 18-23, Afrikaans) Podcast makes it easy for students to stay away from class. They simply listen to the podcast and get all the information we get in class. (female, 18-23, Afrikaans)
  • 36. Discussion and conclusions • Definition of emerging technologies: context-based (Veletsianos 2010) • High amount of disadvantaged students / proliferance of African home language and resulting challenges with academic preparedness • Call for basic / inclusive adoption of technology – Low threshold applications (Gilbert, TLT group), socially inclusive technology • Particular focus on female, mature and African home language speakers (Non-traditional students) I wish all subjects had podcasts especially theory subjects. We want More!!! (male, 18-23, African home language)
  • 37. Conclusions • • • • • • • Most important: timely upload of podcasts Cater for different learning styles (auditive, visual, textual) Content heavy modules Learning beyond the classroom / improved student engagement Not a ‘totally mobile’ technology – used in usual study context, quiet, ability to take notes Allowing for cognitive strategies synonymous for self-regulated learning Performativity or style of lecturing important The podcasts are a very good motivational way of studying, they are understandable and just awesome. I love them (female, English, 18-23)
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Notas do Editor

  1. Not fancy technology needed…just a recording device and a headset…
  2. Candice – can you maybe expand on this???
  3. African homelanguage: 50% listened to all or most podcasts
  4. African homelanguage: 50% listened to all or most podcasts
  5. On campus and listening from lab higher for African homelanguage students