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1. Do you need doctors if you have
Google?
• Janet Hall MB.ChB FRCGP General Practitioner
(Sophie’s GP)
• Clinical Advisor NHS England (Kent and
Medway Area Team) Performance and
Revalidation
• Sophie Tate (aged 27) patient
3. Plan of talk
• Patients using Google and the internet in
general
• The story of one young woman from the
doctors’ perspective
• Her story from her own perspective
• How the diagnosis was reached
• What lessons to be learnt
• Conclusions about usefulness of internet for
patients
4. Advantages of patients researching
their symptoms
• It encourages self education of
patients who can the have more
useful discussions with doctors
• Doctors can encourage the patient
to use the more reliable sites
• (Almost) everybody uses the internet
for searching and why not medicine?
5. Disadvantages of patients using
internet
• Some patients become more anxious
as extreme cases are often
described.
• False hope may be given when
‘miracles’ achieved by ‘alternative’
medicine
• Information overload with confusion
6. Is the internet any use in diagnosis?
• BMJ 2006 Tang and Ng googled 26
case histories published in the New
England Journal of Medicine without
knowing the correct diagnosis using
5 symptoms
• They were correct in 58% cases
7. Inspiration for this talk
• Sophie
• ‘Patient journeys’ published in BMJ-
100 in the past 8 years-and the
consequences for the patient, their
family, friends and health
professionals
9. Past Medical History
Endometriosis and polycystic ovaries (extensive
investigations before correct diagnoses reached
– after extensive internet research by patient)
11. Sophie’s symptoms
acute and severe
‘Attacks’-? 50 in 18 months
-contorted facial movements and
various weaknesses plus an
assortment of other symptoms
12. Sophie’s symptoms (some)
Either continual or intermittent
• Lump in throat -only able to talk when head turned to
the right
• Numb patches on body and odd mottling of skin
• Small infrequent electric shocks to right cheek
• Dizzy on standing and confusion
• Sharp pains to various parts of the body close to joints
• Poor vision- like focusing a camera lens
• Chest pain, waking gasping for air, tachycardia (120-
150) and low BP (105/49)
• Excessive reaction to cold with symptoms much worse
in cold weather
21. Sophie’s medical journey 1
• 12 December 2011 to A and E
• Sudden onset dysphonia September continuing
for 4 months. Advised to see neurologist.
• Dec 2011 to Jan 2012 saw neurologist and a
head and neck surgeon; numerous investigations
• 21 Jan 2012 urgent admission to hospital
weakness in right arm and both legs.
Thrombolysed after video consultation with a
neurologist, admitted to a stroke unit. Further
attack witnessed by nurses. Improved (including
voice intermittently), BUT discharged with a
zimmer frame after 5 days
22. Sophie’s medical journey
2
• 1 day later returned as emergency.
reduced power in right leg 3/5, hyper
reflexia on left , double vision in
horizontal plane and poor co-ordination
in finger/nose test
• Diagnosis functional neurological
disorder-definitely NOT a stroke
23. Sophie’s medical journey 3
2012
Feb chest pain seen in A and E
Feb vascular surgeon
Feb cardiologist
Feb vascular and endovascular surgeon
Feb ENT consultant
April psychiatrist
June Lupus clinic
August haematologist
24. Sophie’s medical journey
4
• September 2012 Rheumatologist
• November 2012 Neuro-psychiatrist
• December 2012 Gynaecologist
• February 2013 Neurologist
• June 2013 Professor X -the end of the journey!
25. Investigations
• Numerous blood tests including anti-
phospholipid antibodies, cryoglobulin screen,
porphyria screen
• EEG
• ECG x 3
• MRI scan head and neck x 4
• CT scan x3
• Barium swallow
• Ultrasound x 3
• Doppler neck
• Nasendoscopy x2
27. Doctors’ comments
• “I cannot think of an organic lesion which would
cause these symptoms”-many doctors
• “Thrombolysis was a placebo”
• “Suggestions to have CBT, osteopathy,
hypnotherapy, speech therapy, physiotherapy
• “You will not get better unless you stop all
medication or stop seeing doctors”
• Only one doctor (a psychiatrist) said “no it is not
anxiety, you are not mad or making it happen in
your brain”
28. Sophie’s personal journey
1
• She wrote a Blog called “The diary of a
hypochondriac”
• “If you are ill constantly and seem to always
have your brain on pain and discomfort that’s
making your life very difficult you begin to feel
that perhaps you are a hypochondriac or
what’s worse that other people see you as
one. Whether you are or not, you still feel the
pain”
29. Sophie’s personal journey
2
• 26 years old and many stroke like episodes +
numerous unexplained symptoms
• Some clear cut medical signs.
• Her experience with doctors was almost
universally bad (NHS and private)
30. Sophie’s personal journey
3 Her quotes
• “I have never been in a room with such an arrogant
self-absorbed prick”
• “Consultants pass me round like a hot cake assuming
it is not their problem but they’ll happily take their
fees from BUPA”
• NHS hospitals washed their hands of me a long time
ago and all I have got from the Private Sector is a
hefty dose of radiation”
• “These doctors are so strange, depending on their
mood they seem to discount another medical
opinion if it does not suit.”
31. Sophie’s personal journey
4 Her emotions
• “It’s making me sad, just lost. None of it makes any
sense”
• “My stupid body. I want it to work better”
• “All I want is my life back. A job, a partner, maybe even
a family. Definitely a cat. I hate being a burden to my
parents at 27 years old”
• “Just been crying and crying”
32. Sophie’s personal journey
5: The internet:
Hours Googling symptoms and researching various
conditions on internet
Using sites such as Healthunlocked.com
Showing the photos on the blog . Replies including
one “Have you thought about Hughes syndrome?”-
Numerous tests for this had always been negative
or faintly positive (non significant)
33. Sophie’s personal journey
6
• June 2013 email from Sophie to Professor
Khamashta at The Lupus clinic sending the photos
• Immediate appointment and subsequent
diagnosis of sero-negative Anti-phospholipd
syndrome
• Started a trial of Clexane and aspirin with almost
immediate improvement of symptoms
34. Anti-phospholipid syndrome
(Hughes syndrome) Diagnostic criteria
• Clinical evidence of vascular thrombosis or
complications of pregnancy such as recurrent
miscarriage or severe pre-eclampsia
PLUS
• Laboratory criteria positive tests 12 weeks apart
Lupus anticoagulant, anticardiolipin antibody (high
titre) or anti-b2-glycoprotein 1 antibody
• (minor sign livedo reticularis)
35. Sero-negative antiphospholipid
syndrome
• Hughes and Khamashta 2003 BMJ described condition of
sero-negative APS (20 years after original diagnosis of APS)
• 2012 Khamashta et al published in Ann Rheum Dis paper on
clinical manifestations of SP-APS and SN-APS. No significant
differences in vascular events in the 2 groups
• August 2013 Personal communication from Professor
Khamashta ”Less than 1% of cases of APS are sero-negative”
36. Lessons to be learnt
• Do not jump to the conclusion that an illness is functional just
because you do not understand what is going on. Use term
‘medically unexplained symptoms’
• Work with the patient when they bring information including
photos to the consultation. Listen carefully.
• Do not diagnose a psychiatric illness unless the patient has evidence
of a mental illness. Most patients are anxious when they see a
doctor.
• If the tests are negative and there is good clinical evidence think of
the possibility of a sero-negative diagnosis (eg rheumatoid arthritis)
• Ensure your notes and letters are accurate.
37. Why did the diagnosis take so long ?
• Sophie annoyed the doctors because she had
done so much research herself
• The doctors were all too specialist
to think ‘outside of the box”
• They took more notice of the test results than
the clinical evidence and some were biased
• Important evidence was not acted upon-
original diagnosis of stroke, Raynaud’s , livedo
reticularis, research papers of Hughes and
Kashmata