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The 99¢ Heart surgeon dilemma Stefan Friedli
Hi, I’m Stefan.
BSides Vienna
Switzerland
Please note that the views and opinions expressed during this presentation are my own and not necessarily my employers.
The 99¢ heart surgeon dilemma
Pen Testing?
Judging a painter is easy... Good Bad
This is how most of our clients see us Good Bad
Killing «bad» pentesting Overall Quality
5173 Pages
«Due to copyright reasons, all of our documents are print-only by default. If you would like to purchase an electronic version at additional cost, please contact our sales staff.»* * Translated from German
Bombs?! «Due to the incorrect input validation of the parameter «s», arbitrary script code can be executed.»
Impact Metrics?  «The amount of bombs depends on the danger the vulnerability causes. (...) There is no upper limit.»* * Translated from German ?
MS08-067: Microsoft Windows Server Service RPC Handling Remote Code Execution Vulnerability                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
Fat Fingers 10.231.0.1/24 - 10.213.0.1/24 9 Days – Wasted.
How can we improve?
SCOPE!
Things that don’t exist: ,[object Object]
Imaginary childhood friends
A decent Metallica album after 1991
«No Scope»,[object Object]
Out of Scope
Work with the client.
Things get a lot easier... Confrontation Working together
Talk to the suits.
Scanning is stupid. Scanner Monkey Mode run nmap run nessus/nexpose run Metasploit/Core/Canvas db_autopwn (...) Root as much as you can. Real World Mode Send well-crafted phishing mail Compromise client Beacon out on tcp/443 Exfiltrate data Get to the heart of the company.
Scratching on the surface... Help killing bad pentesting. http://www.pentest-standard.org Check out the PTES-G! ... and come party with us at Blackhat/Defcon/BSidesLV

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BSides Vienna: The 99¢ Heart Surgeon Dilemma

  • 1. The 99¢ Heart surgeon dilemma Stefan Friedli
  • 5.
  • 6. Please note that the views and opinions expressed during this presentation are my own and not necessarily my employers.
  • 7. The 99¢ heart surgeon dilemma
  • 9. Judging a painter is easy... Good Bad
  • 10. This is how most of our clients see us Good Bad
  • 11.
  • 12. Killing «bad» pentesting Overall Quality
  • 14. «Due to copyright reasons, all of our documents are print-only by default. If you would like to purchase an electronic version at additional cost, please contact our sales staff.»* * Translated from German
  • 15. Bombs?! «Due to the incorrect input validation of the parameter «s», arbitrary script code can be executed.»
  • 16. Impact Metrics?  «The amount of bombs depends on the danger the vulnerability causes. (...) There is no upper limit.»* * Translated from German ?
  • 17. MS08-067: Microsoft Windows Server Service RPC Handling Remote Code Execution Vulnerability                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
  • 18. Fat Fingers 10.231.0.1/24 - 10.213.0.1/24 9 Days – Wasted.
  • 19. How can we improve?
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  • 23. A decent Metallica album after 1991
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  • 26. Work with the client.
  • 27. Things get a lot easier... Confrontation Working together
  • 28. Talk to the suits.
  • 29. Scanning is stupid. Scanner Monkey Mode run nmap run nessus/nexpose run Metasploit/Core/Canvas db_autopwn (...) Root as much as you can. Real World Mode Send well-crafted phishing mail Compromise client Beacon out on tcp/443 Exfiltrate data Get to the heart of the company.
  • 30. Scratching on the surface... Help killing bad pentesting. http://www.pentest-standard.org Check out the PTES-G! ... and come party with us at Blackhat/Defcon/BSidesLV
  • 31. One last thing... «We were unable to complete the task because it [the website] was too big.» Thank you, Ben Jackson! http://code.google.com/p/weblabyrinth/
  • 32. Thank you. The hashdays 2011 conference will be held on October 26th - 29th 2011 Lucerne, Switzerland CFP is still open...