1. Postautonomy.co.uk - Chat Notes
AND SELF-ORGANISATION?
THRESHOLD BETWEEN AUTONOMY
Production outside exhibition structures
DG: [04/11 14:34] So are you looking at building another
form of presentation that goes beyond the material form of
a stable framework such as an exhibition or Biennial? Mobilising dysfunctionality/failure
Self-Organised Strategies
Malleable Forms
[04/11 14:39] so at this point there is not a specific
frame that we say OK we will only do this and never [04/11 14:44] In many ways as well, what became interesting was also to
an exhibition - so the form and the ways in which we see how in some cases informal strategies can work best in terms of
work are quite malleable engaging with people, perhaps on a more even playing field - without the
'prestige' and dom inance of a major institution
[04/11 14:47] So sometimes being "small" can really be an advantage
Emotional Attachment
[04/11 14:52] But when you actually come out and say that autonomy
& CONDITIONS OF NON-ENLIGHTNEMENT?
ILLUSORY AUTNOMOUS FOUNDATIONS?
doesnt exist then that triggers off very extreme emotions from people
[04/11 14:54] And it is from this point that I am now looking at the set of
issues on autonomy, the idea of autonomy as an emotional attachment
[04/11 14:57] That fact makes it difficult to move
onto concrete research into other forms of autonomy
or a repacement of the term
THE BATTLE BETWEEN THE I AND THE WE
[WHAT ABOUT NANCY’S DEVELOPMENT OF THE
BEING WITH - THE CO-ONTOLOGICAL FOUNDATIONS OF
BEING IN THE WORLD?]
AUTHORITARIAN STRUCTURES OF INTERACTION
PARTICIPATION / NON-PARTICIPANT /
[04/11 15:07] But aren't all forms of autonomy actually
co-autonomous to some degree - meaning that we as
potentially autonomous actors are always connected to a
larger system of interaction and co-presences
WHEREIN LIES THE BREAK WITH AUTONOMY
AND HOW WOULD WE (HAVE?) KNOW(N) IT?
[04/11 15:12] In terms of the break, I thought that it is
easier for people to address the process of a break rather
than understanding something as complex and difficult as
a new model
[04/11 15:12] or illusory understanding
[04/11 15:14] KEY TO THE RESEARCH INTO PA
IS THE EXPLORATION INTO PARTICIPATION
[04/11 15:15] Yes this is a difficult issue, since it also holds the reverse side of the
PA & PARTIALITY?
argument - something I also want to explore further, the non-participant
[04/11 15:15] but of course the research into different concepts of participation is as
fraught with its own problems and complex's
[04/11 15:19] I think there are only really degrees of autonomy, so all forms of
perceived autonomous activity can only be partial in order to still have communica-
tive potential
INTERVENTIONS WITHIN THE GENEREIC?
PROBLEM WITH BACHELARDS NOTION OF
SELF-DETERMINED EPISTEMOLOGY?
A PUBLIC LANGUAGE?
(HOW TO MAKE THINGS PUBLIC / EXHIBITION / CATALOGUE)
negotiate the terms and language to shape this space
DISAGFREE!
"common spaces" is their
[04/11 15:41] What I worry about in the construction of the
potential "watered down" consensus problem, if that makes any sense
[04/11 15:42] They could easily become generic - although as a sit a type this, perhaps generic
spaces are the ones which can be used as a starting point for discussion
SELF-CRITIQUE
[04/11 15:42] I think you are right, plus the problem that everyone ought to be
GESTURES OF CONTESTATION
involved in a project
contesting firmly held
[04/11 15:52] think if you are involved in testing out or
beliefs then as Lenin said you are involved in serious disagreement
[04/11 15:53] which Ranciere suggests is also where a real democracy lies
[04/11 15:58] In one book he referred to the student strike of 86 (if my memoery is
right)
[04/11 15:58] That highlights this strategy and tactics difference
[04/11 15:58] But I do think this is where many problems with so called collaborative
PERPETUAL RITES OF CULTURAL COLONISATION?
and participatory projects
[04/11 15:59] That the students were successful in their demands precisely because
they didn't protest AGAINST the 'system' but rather thought OK the 'system' proposed
something we don't like
[04/11 16:00] so they worked within the parameters of a
system, tactically, in order for change to happen
STRUCTURES BUILT OF INTERFERENCE
FOUNDATIONAL INTERFERENCES
[04/11 16:02] Many artists have in the past suggested a similar
strategy
if such 'democratic' examples
[04/11 16:07] I'm wondering though, playing the devils advocate,
we chatted about are useful when trying to map out a PA space that doesn't
resort to cultural colonisation
[04/11 16:13] Something along these lines came up in Turkey
[04/11 16:16] I am not sure whether it is good enough to say that with these sort of projects where
you are trying very hard to think about testing out your own beliefs
[04/11 16:17] and at the same time establish a framework for other people to participate in your
project
[04/11 16:18] I think along the lines of the participatory projects, there has to be space as well, I
mean included within the scope of the projects for the non-participants
[04/11 16:18] that you are inadvertantly imposing a framework on the "other"
[04/11 16:18] Since participation within something means that you have already accepted some
limits of how to manouever
[04/11 16:20] sure that too..but maybe a so called experiment into democracy ends up turning into
cultural dictatorship
[04/11 16:26] Sometimes the conditions for entering a so called collaborative or participatory
project are so narrow, rigid and dogmatic that they cannot any longer be called collaborative or
participatory
[04/11 16:26] Yes, there has to be a place for serious interference - especially
within the foundational architecture of how such projects take shape