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From Measuring Production to 
    measuring well‐being
        Joseph E. Stiglitz
           Melbourne
          July 29, 2010
What you measure affects what you 
               do
• Which is why accounting/accounting systems 
  are so important
• Bad accounting played a big role in the 
  current economic crisis
  – Partially related to failures of market prices
  – But also partially related to accounting rules
     • Banks were allowed to move things off balance sheet
     • We weren’t measuring what we should be measuring
• GDP was created to measure market—
  outgrowth of Keynesian economics
• But overtime evolved into a measure of well 
  being
• Never intended to be a measure of well‐being
• And is increasingly facing problems even as a 
  measure of market production
• Large number of econometric studies analyzing 
  determinants of economic performance
  – But if the measurement of performance is flawed, 
    then inferences drawn from such measures is at risk 
    of being flawed
  – US appeared to be doing well before the crisis
     • 40% of profits in corporate sector—phony
     • 30‐40% of investment was in real estate sector—bubble 
       prices
  – Markedly different views of “good” performance 
    provided by UNDP HDI indicator at GDP per capita 
• Accounting can be viewed as part of the 
  economics of information
  – Part of our information system that enables us to 
    make appropriate decisions
• Example:  every firm takes into account 
  depreciation of capital
• But national income accounting doesn’t take 
  into account depletion of natural 
  resources/degradation of environment
Why the International Commission?
Two concerns:
1. Numbers didn’t seem to reflect individual perceptions 
   of what was going on
  –   Leading to mistrust of government
  –   Example:  in US, GDP per capita has been going up year 
      after year (until 2009), but most families were actually 
      worse off, year after year
2. Government given conflicting objectives
  –   Should it maximize GDP
  –   Or should it pay attention to environment
  –   Some of these conflicts are “fake”—would disappear 
      with appropriately defined measures
Three Working Groups
• Traditional problems with income measurement
   – Many of these problems have been long recognized
      • Government
      • Quality adjustments
   – But their significance has grown
• Assessing well‐being
   – New tools allow better assessment
   – Often marked discrepancies with GDP
• Sustainability
• Cross cutting issue:  income distribution
Single Indicator or Dashboard
• Clear that one could not construct a single 
  indicator that would summarize all the 
  relevant information
• Especially since some prices might not be 
  reliable
• Challenge—find a small set of indicators that 
  provide a good picture of how well the 
  economy is doing
Traditional measurement 
              problems
• In public sector, measurement of output by 
  input
  – Implicit assumption about productivity
  – increasing size of public sector meant that this is 
    an increasingly important problem
  – Some European countries have already begun to 
    tackle the problem
     • Difficult—not just years of schooling; need measure of 
       quality
Health care sector

•   Large parts publicly provided; other parts prices distorted
•   Again, tend to measure output by input
•   Have some output indicators (life expectancy, etc)
•   US spends more than others, outcome poorer
     – Would like to measure “value added”—perhaps Americans are 
       inherently not as healthy as those in other advanced industrial 
       countries
     – More likely explanation:  economic and social system leads to patterns 
       of living/consumption that is less healthy
         • Increasing problem of obesity
         • Fast foods, stress
         • Then medical system is “undoing” damage caused by other parts of the 
           economic system
• Explains a large part of difference in income per capita in US and 
  some European countries
Household Production and Leisure
• Some of increase in measured GDP is shift from 
  (unmeasured) household production to measured 
  market production—not real increase in well‐being
   – Reduced time in home may even be reducing investments 
     in children
• Individuals care about leisure
   – But GDP only looks at income
   – Marked changes in leisure/differences in leisure across 
     countries
      • Particularly pronounced over last 30‐40 years
   – Again, much of the difference in GDP per capita is related 
     to differences in hours worked
      • France even has higher output per hour
Measurement of Well‐being
• We often do not measure what we care about
• Studies show that people care about
  – Connections (Putnam)
  – Work (quality of work and workplace)
     • Negative effects of unemployment cannot be offset 
       just by giving people income
  – Health
  – Education
Sustainability
• What matters is not just consumption today 
  but “lifetime” consumption
• For a society—we care about future 
  generations
• Best way of assessing whether consumption is 
  sustainable is an assessment of what is 
  happening to (total) wealth
  – If wealth is decreasing, then current consumption 
    levels are not sustainable
• Difficulty is getting a full assessment of wealth 
  (especially natural capital) and accurate prices 
  with which to value various assets
  – We need to value the degradation of the 
    environment, the depletion of natural resources
     • What price should we associate with the using up of 
       the carbon space in the atmosphere?
     • We know that the zero price we currently use is wrong
  – Which is why we need to include a few physical 
    indicators in our “dashboard”
National and Global Dialogue
• Part of the objective of rethinking our 
  measurement systems is to generate a 
  national and global dialogue
  – On what we care about
  – Whether what we are striving for is achieving 
    what we care about
  – And whether this is reflected in our metrics

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From measuring production to measuring well-being

  • 1. From Measuring Production to  measuring well‐being Joseph E. Stiglitz Melbourne July 29, 2010
  • 2. What you measure affects what you  do • Which is why accounting/accounting systems  are so important • Bad accounting played a big role in the  current economic crisis – Partially related to failures of market prices – But also partially related to accounting rules • Banks were allowed to move things off balance sheet • We weren’t measuring what we should be measuring
  • 3. • GDP was created to measure market— outgrowth of Keynesian economics • But overtime evolved into a measure of well  being • Never intended to be a measure of well‐being • And is increasingly facing problems even as a  measure of market production
  • 4. • Large number of econometric studies analyzing  determinants of economic performance – But if the measurement of performance is flawed,  then inferences drawn from such measures is at risk  of being flawed – US appeared to be doing well before the crisis • 40% of profits in corporate sector—phony • 30‐40% of investment was in real estate sector—bubble  prices – Markedly different views of “good” performance  provided by UNDP HDI indicator at GDP per capita 
  • 5. • Accounting can be viewed as part of the  economics of information – Part of our information system that enables us to  make appropriate decisions • Example:  every firm takes into account  depreciation of capital • But national income accounting doesn’t take  into account depletion of natural  resources/degradation of environment
  • 6. Why the International Commission? Two concerns: 1. Numbers didn’t seem to reflect individual perceptions  of what was going on – Leading to mistrust of government – Example:  in US, GDP per capita has been going up year  after year (until 2009), but most families were actually  worse off, year after year 2. Government given conflicting objectives – Should it maximize GDP – Or should it pay attention to environment – Some of these conflicts are “fake”—would disappear  with appropriately defined measures
  • 7. Three Working Groups • Traditional problems with income measurement – Many of these problems have been long recognized • Government • Quality adjustments – But their significance has grown • Assessing well‐being – New tools allow better assessment – Often marked discrepancies with GDP • Sustainability • Cross cutting issue:  income distribution
  • 8. Single Indicator or Dashboard • Clear that one could not construct a single  indicator that would summarize all the  relevant information • Especially since some prices might not be  reliable • Challenge—find a small set of indicators that  provide a good picture of how well the  economy is doing
  • 9. Traditional measurement  problems • In public sector, measurement of output by  input – Implicit assumption about productivity – increasing size of public sector meant that this is  an increasingly important problem – Some European countries have already begun to  tackle the problem • Difficult—not just years of schooling; need measure of  quality
  • 10. Health care sector • Large parts publicly provided; other parts prices distorted • Again, tend to measure output by input • Have some output indicators (life expectancy, etc) • US spends more than others, outcome poorer – Would like to measure “value added”—perhaps Americans are  inherently not as healthy as those in other advanced industrial  countries – More likely explanation:  economic and social system leads to patterns  of living/consumption that is less healthy • Increasing problem of obesity • Fast foods, stress • Then medical system is “undoing” damage caused by other parts of the  economic system • Explains a large part of difference in income per capita in US and  some European countries
  • 11. Household Production and Leisure • Some of increase in measured GDP is shift from  (unmeasured) household production to measured  market production—not real increase in well‐being – Reduced time in home may even be reducing investments  in children • Individuals care about leisure – But GDP only looks at income – Marked changes in leisure/differences in leisure across  countries • Particularly pronounced over last 30‐40 years – Again, much of the difference in GDP per capita is related  to differences in hours worked • France even has higher output per hour
  • 12. Measurement of Well‐being • We often do not measure what we care about • Studies show that people care about – Connections (Putnam) – Work (quality of work and workplace) • Negative effects of unemployment cannot be offset  just by giving people income – Health – Education
  • 13. Sustainability • What matters is not just consumption today  but “lifetime” consumption • For a society—we care about future  generations • Best way of assessing whether consumption is  sustainable is an assessment of what is  happening to (total) wealth – If wealth is decreasing, then current consumption  levels are not sustainable
  • 14. • Difficulty is getting a full assessment of wealth  (especially natural capital) and accurate prices  with which to value various assets – We need to value the degradation of the  environment, the depletion of natural resources • What price should we associate with the using up of  the carbon space in the atmosphere? • We know that the zero price we currently use is wrong – Which is why we need to include a few physical  indicators in our “dashboard”
  • 15. National and Global Dialogue • Part of the objective of rethinking our  measurement systems is to generate a  national and global dialogue – On what we care about – Whether what we are striving for is achieving  what we care about – And whether this is reflected in our metrics