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West	
  and	
  Central	
  African	
  iron	
  ore	
  
development	
  and	
  its	
  impact	
  
on	
  world	
  prices	
  
Author	
  Luke	
  Hurst	
  
Discussant	
  Omer	
  Majeed	
  
Strengths	
  	
  
•  A	
  very	
  relevant	
  issue	
  for	
  China,	
  Australia,	
  
Africa	
  and	
  other	
  Asian	
  economies.	
  	
  
•  In	
  depth	
  case	
  study.	
  	
  
•  Looks	
  at	
  a	
  lot	
  of	
  relevant	
  variables.	
  Different	
  
players,	
  different	
  scenarios	
  and	
  individual	
  
country	
  capaciDes.	
  	
  
•  Enjoyed	
  reading	
  it.	
  	
  
SuggesDons/comments	
  
Supply	
  and	
  Demand	
  Curve	
  
•  Price	
  and	
  Supply	
  analysis	
  should	
  incorporate	
  
supply	
  and	
  demand	
  curve	
  analysis.	
  	
  
•  Look	
  at	
  how	
  elasDc	
  demand	
  and	
  supply	
  curves	
  
are.	
  	
  
•  How	
  much	
  would	
  Africa	
  add	
  to	
  world	
  supply?	
  	
  
•  How	
  much	
  would	
  that	
  shiI	
  the	
  world	
  supply	
  
curve	
  by?	
  
SuggesDons/comments	
  
Uncertainty	
  maKers.	
  	
  
•  Uncertainty	
  maKers.	
  	
  
•  You	
  need	
  to	
  take	
  into	
  account	
  of	
  uncertainty.	
  
SuggesDons/comments	
  
•  China’s	
  demand.	
  Slowing	
  of	
  growth	
  and	
  
concerns	
  of	
  a	
  housing	
  bubble	
  in	
  China	
  may	
  
mean	
  that	
  the	
  demand	
  of	
  steel	
  and	
  
consequently	
  iron	
  ore	
  declines.	
  	
  
•  How	
  would	
  that	
  impact	
  worlds	
  demand	
  curve	
  
quanDtaDvely?	
  
•  How	
  would	
  that	
  impact	
  the	
  NPV	
  of	
  these	
  
investment	
  mines	
  projects	
  in	
  Africa	
  and	
  
elsewhere?	
  
SuggesDons/comments	
  
•  “BREE’s	
  (2012)	
  forecast	
  indicates	
  that	
  iron	
  ore	
  
exports	
  to	
  China	
  will	
  conDnue	
  to	
  grow	
  at	
  
around	
  2.8	
  per	
  cent	
  per	
  annum	
  between	
  2012	
  
and	
  2017	
  (a	
  total	
  increase	
  of	
  around	
  141mt	
  
over	
  the	
  period)	
  (see	
  Table2	
  below).”	
  
•  Point	
  forecasts	
  can	
  be	
  quite	
  risky.	
  	
  
•  Especially,	
  when	
  you	
  don’t	
  take	
  into	
  account	
  
model	
  uncertainty.	
  	
  
SuggesDons/comments	
  
•  Northern	
  Territory	
  forecasts	
  of	
  commodity	
  
were	
  prone	
  to	
  major	
  fluctuaDons	
  (demand,	
  
supply,	
  discoveries,	
  exchange	
  rate	
  fluctuaDons	
  
data	
  problems).	
  
•  Frances	
  Creek	
  mine	
  exports	
  to	
  China.	
  
•  ABARES	
  revisions.	
  	
  
•  I	
  think	
  they	
  had	
  to	
  substanDally	
  revise	
  a	
  lot	
  
their	
  forecasts	
  when	
  I	
  was	
  there.	
  	
  
SuggesDons/comments	
  
•  Individual	
  economies	
  and	
  circumstances.	
  
Need	
  to	
  incorporate	
  
•  Australia/Northern	
  Territory.	
  Labour	
  costs	
  
going	
  because	
  of	
  other	
  major	
  mining	
  
developments.	
  	
  
•  INPEX,	
  Northern	
  Territory.	
  
•  Gorgon,	
  Wester	
  Australia.	
  	
  
•  Compete	
  for	
  labour	
  force.	
  	
  
SuggesDons/comments	
  
•  Given	
  all	
  this,	
  there	
  is	
  a	
  lot	
  of	
  model	
  
uncertainty.	
  
•  Should	
  be	
  explicit	
  about	
  model	
  uncertainty.	
  	
  
•  Can	
  use	
  scenarios	
  for	
  demand	
  (as	
  was	
  done	
  
for	
  Supply)	
  
•  Can	
  use	
  LOP,	
  BMA.	
  	
  
•  Clark-­‐McCracken	
  (CM,	
  JAE,	
  2008).	
  Ensemble	
  
improves	
  forecast.	
  	
  	
  
SuggesDons/comments	
  
Strategic	
  Games	
  
•  Good	
  analysis	
  on	
  countries,	
  but	
  what	
  about	
  companies?	
  	
  
•  Rio	
  Tinto,	
  BHP,	
  etc?	
  They	
  operate	
  in	
  Australia,	
  as	
  well	
  as	
  
Africa.	
  	
  
•  They	
  want	
  to	
  maximize	
  profits	
  (NPV	
  of	
  returns).	
  Don’t	
  want	
  
prices	
  to	
  plunge.	
  	
  
•  China	
  an	
  aberraDon.	
  A	
  big	
  aberraDon.	
  But	
  once	
  they	
  own	
  
an	
  asset.	
  They	
  have	
  a	
  trade	
  off	
  trying	
  to	
  maximize	
  NPV	
  
return	
  from	
  that	
  asset,	
  or	
  providing	
  a	
  cheap	
  rate	
  for	
  
companies	
  back	
  home.	
  	
  
•  OligopolisDc	
  compeDDon.	
  	
  
•  Game	
  theory.	
  Collusion?	
  Compete?	
  How	
  would	
  that	
  change	
  
the	
  analysis.	
  	
  
SuggesDons/comments	
  
Companies	
  being	
  pushed	
  out	
  
•  Good	
  analysis.	
  
•  What	
  about	
  technology?	
  Does	
  that	
  maKer	
  
about	
  which	
  companies	
  stay	
  and	
  which	
  don’t?	
  
SuggesDons/comments	
  
Efficiency	
  gains	
  
•  China	
  and	
  India	
  will	
  not	
  be	
  able	
  to	
  cost	
  compete	
  
with	
  other	
  economies.	
  	
  
•  Efficiency	
  gains.	
  As	
  they	
  move	
  more	
  towards	
  their	
  
comparaDve	
  advantage.	
  This	
  efficiency	
  gain	
  
should	
  maKer.	
  	
  
•  It	
  is	
  not	
  about	
  how	
  many	
  mines	
  you	
  have,	
  rather	
  
how	
  much	
  growth	
  in	
  welfare	
  (	
  GDP	
  per	
  capita,	
  
employment	
  growth	
  and	
  cost	
  of	
  living	
  pressures)	
  
maKer.	
  	
  
•  It	
  should	
  be	
  noted	
  that	
  resulDng	
  efficiency	
  gains	
  
can	
  be	
  big.	
  	
  
Conclusion.	
  
•  A	
  good	
  case	
  study.	
  	
  
•  Relevant	
  topic	
  to	
  Asia,	
  Africa	
  and	
  Australia.	
  	
  
•  Will	
  benefit	
  from	
  a	
  bit	
  more	
  in	
  depth	
  
quanDtaDve	
  economic	
  analysis.	
  	
  	
  

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Omer discussant Luke H PhD Conference 2012

  • 1. West  and  Central  African  iron  ore   development  and  its  impact   on  world  prices   Author  Luke  Hurst   Discussant  Omer  Majeed  
  • 2. Strengths     •  A  very  relevant  issue  for  China,  Australia,   Africa  and  other  Asian  economies.     •  In  depth  case  study.     •  Looks  at  a  lot  of  relevant  variables.  Different   players,  different  scenarios  and  individual   country  capaciDes.     •  Enjoyed  reading  it.    
  • 3. SuggesDons/comments   Supply  and  Demand  Curve   •  Price  and  Supply  analysis  should  incorporate   supply  and  demand  curve  analysis.     •  Look  at  how  elasDc  demand  and  supply  curves   are.     •  How  much  would  Africa  add  to  world  supply?     •  How  much  would  that  shiI  the  world  supply   curve  by?  
  • 4. SuggesDons/comments   Uncertainty  maKers.     •  Uncertainty  maKers.     •  You  need  to  take  into  account  of  uncertainty.  
  • 5. SuggesDons/comments   •  China’s  demand.  Slowing  of  growth  and   concerns  of  a  housing  bubble  in  China  may   mean  that  the  demand  of  steel  and   consequently  iron  ore  declines.     •  How  would  that  impact  worlds  demand  curve   quanDtaDvely?   •  How  would  that  impact  the  NPV  of  these   investment  mines  projects  in  Africa  and   elsewhere?  
  • 6. SuggesDons/comments   •  “BREE’s  (2012)  forecast  indicates  that  iron  ore   exports  to  China  will  conDnue  to  grow  at   around  2.8  per  cent  per  annum  between  2012   and  2017  (a  total  increase  of  around  141mt   over  the  period)  (see  Table2  below).”   •  Point  forecasts  can  be  quite  risky.     •  Especially,  when  you  don’t  take  into  account   model  uncertainty.    
  • 7. SuggesDons/comments   •  Northern  Territory  forecasts  of  commodity   were  prone  to  major  fluctuaDons  (demand,   supply,  discoveries,  exchange  rate  fluctuaDons   data  problems).   •  Frances  Creek  mine  exports  to  China.   •  ABARES  revisions.     •  I  think  they  had  to  substanDally  revise  a  lot   their  forecasts  when  I  was  there.    
  • 8. SuggesDons/comments   •  Individual  economies  and  circumstances.   Need  to  incorporate   •  Australia/Northern  Territory.  Labour  costs   going  because  of  other  major  mining   developments.     •  INPEX,  Northern  Territory.   •  Gorgon,  Wester  Australia.     •  Compete  for  labour  force.    
  • 9. SuggesDons/comments   •  Given  all  this,  there  is  a  lot  of  model   uncertainty.   •  Should  be  explicit  about  model  uncertainty.     •  Can  use  scenarios  for  demand  (as  was  done   for  Supply)   •  Can  use  LOP,  BMA.     •  Clark-­‐McCracken  (CM,  JAE,  2008).  Ensemble   improves  forecast.      
  • 10. SuggesDons/comments   Strategic  Games   •  Good  analysis  on  countries,  but  what  about  companies?     •  Rio  Tinto,  BHP,  etc?  They  operate  in  Australia,  as  well  as   Africa.     •  They  want  to  maximize  profits  (NPV  of  returns).  Don’t  want   prices  to  plunge.     •  China  an  aberraDon.  A  big  aberraDon.  But  once  they  own   an  asset.  They  have  a  trade  off  trying  to  maximize  NPV   return  from  that  asset,  or  providing  a  cheap  rate  for   companies  back  home.     •  OligopolisDc  compeDDon.     •  Game  theory.  Collusion?  Compete?  How  would  that  change   the  analysis.    
  • 11. SuggesDons/comments   Companies  being  pushed  out   •  Good  analysis.   •  What  about  technology?  Does  that  maKer   about  which  companies  stay  and  which  don’t?  
  • 12. SuggesDons/comments   Efficiency  gains   •  China  and  India  will  not  be  able  to  cost  compete   with  other  economies.     •  Efficiency  gains.  As  they  move  more  towards  their   comparaDve  advantage.  This  efficiency  gain   should  maKer.     •  It  is  not  about  how  many  mines  you  have,  rather   how  much  growth  in  welfare  (  GDP  per  capita,   employment  growth  and  cost  of  living  pressures)   maKer.     •  It  should  be  noted  that  resulDng  efficiency  gains   can  be  big.    
  • 13. Conclusion.   •  A  good  case  study.     •  Relevant  topic  to  Asia,  Africa  and  Australia.     •  Will  benefit  from  a  bit  more  in  depth   quanDtaDve  economic  analysis.