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Importance	
  of	
  IP	
  Peering	
Yoshiki	
  Ishida	
  
Japan	
  Internet	
  Exchange,	
  Co.,	
  Ltd.
Agenda	
Ø Fundamentals	
  of	
  IX	
  and	
  peering	
  
ü IX	
  
ü Peering	
  
Ø The	
  Current	
  Status	
  of	
  IX	
  and	
  Peering	
  
ü Change	
  of	
  the	
  Internet	
  
ü IX	
  and	
  Peering	
  
1
Fundamentals	
  of	
  IX	
  and	
  peering	
2
What	
  is	
  IX?	
Ø  DefiniGon	
  of	
  IX	
  Point	
  
(by	
  euro-­‐ix)	
  
A	
  physical	
  network	
  
infrastructure	
  operated	
  by	
  a	
  
single	
  enGty	
  with	
  the	
  
purpose	
  to	
  facilitate	
  the	
  
exchange	
  of	
  Internet	
  traffic	
  
between	
  Autonomous	
  
Systems.	
  The	
  number	
  of	
  
Autonomous	
  	
  Systems	
  
connected	
  should	
  at	
  least	
  
be	
  three	
  and	
  there	
  must	
  be	
  
a	
  clear	
  and	
  open	
  policy	
  for	
  
others	
  to	
  join.	
  	
  
Ø  IX	
  is	
  a	
  system	
  composed	
  by	
  
Layer	
  2	
  switches.	
  
	
  
Ø  Every	
  parGes’	
  routers	
  are	
  
connected	
  to	
  the	
  switches.	
AS	
AS	
AS	
AS	
3
A	
  Typical	
  Structure	
  of	
  the	
  Internet	
  in	
  a	
  
Textbook	
ISP	
 ISP	
 ISP	
ISP	
ISP	
IX	
 IX	
ISP	
ISP	
ISP	
 ISP	
Global	
  Tier-­‐1	
  
NaGonal	
  Backbone	
  
Provider	
Local	
  Access	
  Provider	
Customer	
  
(Consumer/OrganizaGon)	
ISP	
ISP	
ISP	
 ISP	
4
-­‐Transit-­‐	
  
“Transit”	
  has	
  an	
  upstream	
  	
  and	
  a	
  downstream,	
  then	
  the	
  traffic	
  from/to	
  the	
  laer	
  and	
  its	
  
customers	
  are	
  carried	
  by	
  the	
  former	
  to/from	
  the	
  rest	
  of	
  the	
  Internet	
  with	
  payment	
  from	
  the	
  
downstream.	
  	
  
-­‐Peering-­‐	
  
Traffic	
  between	
  two	
  parGes	
  and	
  their	
  customers	
  are	
  exchanged	
  by	
  using	
  “peering.”	
  
Useless	
  traffic	
  to	
  the	
  upstream	
  decreases	
  by	
  exchanging	
  traffic	
  with	
  peering,	
  and	
  their	
  
transit	
  cost	
  can	
  be	
  reduced.	
   5	
  
Transit	
  and	
  Peering	
  
IX
The	
  Internet	
  
ISP-B
user	
   user	
   user	
   user	
  
user	
  user	
   user	
   user	
  
ISP-DISP-C
ISP-A
Peering	
Ø  Types	
  of	
  Peering	
  
ü  LocaGon	
  
•  Pubic	
  Peer	
  
•  Private	
  Peer	
  
ü  Payment	
  
•  Free	
  Peer	
  
•  Paid	
  Peer	
  
Ø  Peering	
  Agreement	
  
ü  Bi-­‐lateral	
  Peering	
  Agreement	
  
•  An	
  one-­‐to-­‐one	
  agreement	
  between	
  two	
  parGes	
  about	
  peering.	
  
ü  MulG-­‐lateral	
  Peering	
  Agreement(MLPA)	
  
•  MulG-­‐lateral	
  peering	
  is	
  peering	
  negoGated	
  and	
  established	
  between	
  
potenGally	
  many	
  parGes.	
  
•  A	
  MulG-­‐Lateral	
  Peering	
  Agreement	
  is	
  signed	
  at	
  exchange	
  points	
  that	
  support	
  
mulG-­‐lateral	
  peering.	
6
IX	
  and	
  Peering	
Ø Role	
  of	
  IX	
  Providers	
  for	
  peering	
  
ü IX	
  provides	
  a	
  point	
  for	
  peering	
  and	
  exchanging	
  traffic.	
  
ü IX	
  providers	
  make	
  arrangements	
  for	
  communicaGons	
  
on	
  peering	
  between	
  customers.	
  
ü IX	
  providers	
  supply	
  addiGonal	
  funcGon	
  for	
  peering,	
  
e.g.	
  Route	
  Server,	
  Route	
  Monitor,	
  and	
  Traffic	
  Viewer.	
  
ü Some	
  IX	
  providers	
  support	
  a	
  private	
  peering	
  between	
  
their	
  customers,	
  for	
  example	
  by	
  providing	
  cabling	
  
services.	
  
ü IX	
  is	
  the	
  place	
  for	
  coordinaGon	
  and	
  cooperaGon	
  
between	
  various	
  parGes	
  of	
  the	
  Internet.	
  
7
The	
  Current	
  Status	
  of	
  IX	
  and	
  Peering	
8
The	
  Current	
  Structure	
  of	
  the	
  Internet	
ISP	
 ISP	
 ISP	
ISP	
Global	
  Tier-­‐1	
  
NaGonal	
  Backbone	
  
Local	
  Access	
  Provider	
Mobile	
IX	
IX	
ISP	
ISP	
ISP	
ISP	
ISP	
Customer	
  
(Consumer/OrganizaGon)	
Hyper	
  Giants	
9
The	
  Current	
  Structure	
  of	
  the	
  Internet	
ISP	
 ISP	
 ISP	
ISP	
Global	
  Tier-­‐1	
  
NaGonal	
  Backbone	
  
Local	
  Access	
  Provider	
Mobile	
IX	
IX	
ISP	
ISP	
ISP	
ISP	
ISP	
Customer	
  
(Consumer/OrganizaGon)	
Hyper	
  Giants	
Contents	
Eyeball	
Traffic	
10
Contents	
  and	
  Eyeball	
  
JPIX	
  Case	
Ø The	
  traffic	
  share	
  of	
  top	
  10	
  customers	
  of	
  JPIX	
  
with	
  140	
  parGes.	
11	
  
IX Switch	
Contents Side	
OUT	
50.6%	
Eyeball Side	
IN	
40.3%	
OUT	
14.0%	
IN	
7.7%
Merits	
  of	
  using	
  IX	
  	
Ø Exchanging	
  Traffic	
  at	
  IX	
  
Points	
  
ü High	
  Bandwidth	
  
ü Low	
  Latency	
  
ü Cost	
  Efficiency	
  
ü Direct	
  RelaGonship	
  
Ø Peering	
  with	
  Internet	
  
Infrastructure	
  such	
  as	
  
root	
  servers	
  
12	
  
ISP	
 ISP	
Internet	
Peering	
IX	
DNS	
  root	
  
server
The	
  Importance	
  of	
  IX	
Ø  The	
  importance	
  of	
  IX	
  is	
  equal	
  to	
  the	
  importance	
  of	
  peering	
  and	
  
exchanging	
  traffic	
  locally.	
  
Ø  Related	
  AcGviGes	
  
ü  WCIT/ITR	
  
•  31E	
  3.7	
  Member	
  States	
  should	
  create	
  an	
  enabling	
  environment	
  for	
  the	
  
implementaGon	
  of	
  regional	
  telecommunicaGon	
  traffic	
  exchange	
  points,	
  with	
  a	
  
view	
  to	
  improving	
  quality,	
  increasing	
  the	
  connecGvity	
  and	
  resilience	
  of	
  
networks,	
  fostering	
  compeGGon	
  and	
  reducing	
  the	
  costs	
  of	
  internaGonal	
  
telecommunicaGon	
  interconnecGons.	
  	
  
ü  OECD	
  Paper	
  
•  Internet	
  Traffic	
  Exchange	
  Market	
  Developments	
  and	
  Policy	
  Challenges,	
  OECD	
  
Digital	
  Economy	
  Papers	
  No.	
  207	
  
hp://dx.doi.org/10.1787/5k918gpt130q-­‐en	
  
ü  ISOC	
  IXP	
  Toolkit	
  
•  “The	
  Internet	
  Society	
  was	
  awarded	
  a	
  grant	
  to	
  extend	
  its	
  Internet	
  exchange	
  
point	
  (IXP)	
  acGviGes	
  in	
  emerging	
  markets	
  and	
  developing	
  countries.”	
  
hp://www.ixptoolkit.org/	
  
13
Ecosystem	
  for	
  Peering	
Ø  AddiGonal	
  fee	
  for	
  peering	
  are	
  mainly	
  port	
  charges	
  for	
  IX	
  providers.	
  	
  
Ø  Peering	
  are	
  lower	
  in	
  cost	
  than	
  transit.	
  
Ø  Payment	
  for	
  peering	
  
ü  Eyeball	
  side	
  
•  Local	
  access	
  providers	
  pay	
  for	
  construcGon	
  of	
  consumer	
  network.	
  
•  Without	
  contents,	
  	
  nobody	
  uses	
  access	
  network.	
  
ü  Contents	
  side	
  
•  Contents	
  distributers	
  pay	
  for	
  the	
  contents	
  and	
  network	
  for	
  delivering.	
  
•  Without	
  users,	
  no	
  content	
  delivered.	
  
Ø  Free	
  peering	
  is	
  an	
  advantage	
  for	
  all	
  the	
  parGes.	
  
ü  The	
  majority	
  of	
  content-­‐to-­‐end-­‐user	
  flows	
  should	
  be	
  free.	
  
ü  For	
  all	
  the	
  parGes,	
  peering	
  is	
  good	
  tool	
  for	
  promoGon	
  to	
  their	
  
customers.	
14
IX	
  and	
  Regulators	
Ø Regulators	
  should	
  take	
  neutral	
  stance	
  to	
  peering	
  
if	
  domesGc	
  compeGGve	
  environment	
  for	
  their	
  IP	
  
network	
  have	
  been	
  developed,	
  
ü To	
  support	
  growth	
  and	
  evoluGon	
  of	
  the	
  Internet	
  
industry.	
  
Ø Regulators	
  may	
  support	
  coordinaGon	
  and	
  
cooperaGon	
  among	
  parGes.	
  
Ø Regulators	
  may	
  support	
  IX	
  and	
  intervene	
  peering	
  
only	
  if	
  their	
  IP	
  network	
  is	
  under	
  developing	
  and	
  
compeGGve	
  environment	
  is	
  poor.	
  	
  	
  
15
IX	
  Status	
  
Global	
Ø  105	
  Countries	
  415	
  IXPs	
  
ü  IX	
  is	
  now	
  increasing	
  day	
  by	
  day.	
  
Ø  Tier	
  of	
  IX	
  
ü  Global	
  IX	
  
ü  Regional	
  IX	
  	
  
ü  NaGonal	
  IX	
  
ü  Local	
  IX	
  
Ø  Types	
  of	
  IX	
  
ü  A	
  not-­‐for-­‐profit	
  independent	
  
organizaGon,	
  
ü  A	
  consorGum	
  of	
  ISPs,	
  
ü  A	
  commercial	
  company,	
  
ü  An	
  Academic	
  and	
  research	
  project	
  
ü  A	
  government	
  agency,	
  
ü  An	
  informal	
  associaGon	
  of	
  
networks	
  
Ø  IX	
  Community	
  
ü  Euro-­‐IX	
  
•  First	
  and	
  Largest	
  IX	
  Community.	
  
•  Formed	
  in	
  2001	
  
ü  APIX	
  
ü  LACIX	
  
ü  AFRIX	
  
ü  IX-­‐F	
  
Ø  Development	
  of	
  NaGonal	
  IX	
  
Points	
  
ü  Some	
  countries	
  develop	
  IX	
  Points	
  
by	
  themselves.	
  
ü  Some	
  Global	
  IX	
  Providers	
  foster	
  IX	
  
Points	
  in	
  underdeveloped	
  regions.	
  
ü  Boom	
  –up	
  approach	
  tend	
  to	
  be	
  a	
  
shortcut	
  to	
  success.	
  
16
IX	
  Status	
  
Asia-­‐Pacific	
  Region	
Ø  APIX“Asia-­‐Pacific	
  Internet	
  Exchange”	
  
ü  An	
  associaGon	
  of	
  Internet	
  Exchange	
  
Providers	
  in	
  Asia-­‐-­‐-­‐Pacific	
  region.	
  
ü  just	
  like	
  Euro-­‐IX	
  in	
  Europe	
  
Ø  ObjecGves	
  
ü  To	
  share	
  informaGon	
  about	
  technical,	
  
operaGonal,	
  and	
  business	
  issues	
  and	
  
soluGons	
  regarding	
  Internet	
  Exchange.	
  
Ø  APIX	
  was	
  established	
  in	
  2010	
  under	
  
the	
  support	
  of	
  APNIC	
  
Ø  APNIC’s	
  support	
  for	
  APIX	
  
ü  Engineering	
  assistance	
  for	
  organizaGons	
  
needed.	
  
ü  APNIC	
  is	
  in	
  a	
  good	
  posiGon	
  to	
  
encourage	
  on	
  facilitate	
  to	
  share	
  
knowledge	
  and	
  experience	
  among	
  IX	
  
points	
  in	
  the	
  region.	
  	
  
Ø  Members:	
  16	
  IXPs	
  from	
  12	
  
economies	
  
ü  BDIX(BD)	
  
ü  HKIX(HK)	
  
ü  BBIX,	
  DIX-­‐IE,	
  JPIX,	
  JPNAP(JP)	
  
ü  KINX(KR)	
  
ü  IIX(ID)	
  
ü  NIXI(IN)	
  
ü  MyIX(MY)	
  
ü  NP-­‐IX(NP)	
  
ü  NZIX(NZ)	
  
ü  SGIX,SOX(SG)	
  
ü  VNIX(VN)	
  
ü  Equinix(US,	
  HK,	
  JP,	
  AU)	
  
Ø  Contact:	
  
ü  sc(at)apix.asia	
  
17
IX	
  Status	
  
Japan	
Ø Commercial	
  IX	
  
Providers:	
  3	
  
ü JPIX	
  
ü JPNAP(Internet	
  
MulGfeed)	
  
ü BBIX	
  
Ø Academic-­‐based	
  IX	
  
Providers:	
  1	
  
ü DIX-­‐IE(WIDE	
  Project)	
  
Ø Global	
  IX	
  Providers:	
  1	
  
ü Equinix	
  
Ø Traffic	
  at	
  IX	
  in	
  Japan	
  
ü 20%	
  to	
  EsGmated	
  Total	
  
Traffic	
  in	
  Japan	
  are	
  
exchanged	
  at	
  IX	
  points	
  
according	
  to	
  the	
  report	
  
from	
  MIC.	
  
ü Traffic	
  between	
  huge	
  
telecom	
  carriers	
  are	
  
exchanged	
  by	
  using	
  
private	
  peers.	
18
Thank	
  you!	
Yoshiki	
  Ishida	
  
Ishida(at)jpix.ad.jp	
  

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Importance of ip peering

  • 1. Importance  of  IP  Peering Yoshiki  Ishida   Japan  Internet  Exchange,  Co.,  Ltd.
  • 2. Agenda Ø Fundamentals  of  IX  and  peering   ü IX   ü Peering   Ø The  Current  Status  of  IX  and  Peering   ü Change  of  the  Internet   ü IX  and  Peering   1
  • 3. Fundamentals  of  IX  and  peering 2
  • 4. What  is  IX? Ø  DefiniGon  of  IX  Point   (by  euro-­‐ix)   A  physical  network   infrastructure  operated  by  a   single  enGty  with  the   purpose  to  facilitate  the   exchange  of  Internet  traffic   between  Autonomous   Systems.  The  number  of   Autonomous    Systems   connected  should  at  least   be  three  and  there  must  be   a  clear  and  open  policy  for   others  to  join.     Ø  IX  is  a  system  composed  by   Layer  2  switches.     Ø  Every  parGes’  routers  are   connected  to  the  switches. AS AS AS AS 3
  • 5. A  Typical  Structure  of  the  Internet  in  a   Textbook ISP ISP ISP ISP ISP IX IX ISP ISP ISP ISP Global  Tier-­‐1   NaGonal  Backbone   Provider Local  Access  Provider Customer   (Consumer/OrganizaGon) ISP ISP ISP ISP 4
  • 6. -­‐Transit-­‐   “Transit”  has  an  upstream    and  a  downstream,  then  the  traffic  from/to  the  laer  and  its   customers  are  carried  by  the  former  to/from  the  rest  of  the  Internet  with  payment  from  the   downstream.     -­‐Peering-­‐   Traffic  between  two  parGes  and  their  customers  are  exchanged  by  using  “peering.”   Useless  traffic  to  the  upstream  decreases  by  exchanging  traffic  with  peering,  and  their   transit  cost  can  be  reduced.   5   Transit  and  Peering   IX The  Internet   ISP-B user   user   user   user   user  user   user   user   ISP-DISP-C ISP-A
  • 7. Peering Ø  Types  of  Peering   ü  LocaGon   •  Pubic  Peer   •  Private  Peer   ü  Payment   •  Free  Peer   •  Paid  Peer   Ø  Peering  Agreement   ü  Bi-­‐lateral  Peering  Agreement   •  An  one-­‐to-­‐one  agreement  between  two  parGes  about  peering.   ü  MulG-­‐lateral  Peering  Agreement(MLPA)   •  MulG-­‐lateral  peering  is  peering  negoGated  and  established  between   potenGally  many  parGes.   •  A  MulG-­‐Lateral  Peering  Agreement  is  signed  at  exchange  points  that  support   mulG-­‐lateral  peering. 6
  • 8. IX  and  Peering Ø Role  of  IX  Providers  for  peering   ü IX  provides  a  point  for  peering  and  exchanging  traffic.   ü IX  providers  make  arrangements  for  communicaGons   on  peering  between  customers.   ü IX  providers  supply  addiGonal  funcGon  for  peering,   e.g.  Route  Server,  Route  Monitor,  and  Traffic  Viewer.   ü Some  IX  providers  support  a  private  peering  between   their  customers,  for  example  by  providing  cabling   services.   ü IX  is  the  place  for  coordinaGon  and  cooperaGon   between  various  parGes  of  the  Internet.   7
  • 9. The  Current  Status  of  IX  and  Peering 8
  • 10. The  Current  Structure  of  the  Internet ISP ISP ISP ISP Global  Tier-­‐1   NaGonal  Backbone   Local  Access  Provider Mobile IX IX ISP ISP ISP ISP ISP Customer   (Consumer/OrganizaGon) Hyper  Giants 9
  • 11. The  Current  Structure  of  the  Internet ISP ISP ISP ISP Global  Tier-­‐1   NaGonal  Backbone   Local  Access  Provider Mobile IX IX ISP ISP ISP ISP ISP Customer   (Consumer/OrganizaGon) Hyper  Giants Contents Eyeball Traffic 10
  • 12. Contents  and  Eyeball   JPIX  Case Ø The  traffic  share  of  top  10  customers  of  JPIX   with  140  parGes. 11   IX Switch Contents Side OUT 50.6% Eyeball Side IN 40.3% OUT 14.0% IN 7.7%
  • 13. Merits  of  using  IX   Ø Exchanging  Traffic  at  IX   Points   ü High  Bandwidth   ü Low  Latency   ü Cost  Efficiency   ü Direct  RelaGonship   Ø Peering  with  Internet   Infrastructure  such  as   root  servers   12   ISP ISP Internet Peering IX DNS  root   server
  • 14. The  Importance  of  IX Ø  The  importance  of  IX  is  equal  to  the  importance  of  peering  and   exchanging  traffic  locally.   Ø  Related  AcGviGes   ü  WCIT/ITR   •  31E  3.7  Member  States  should  create  an  enabling  environment  for  the   implementaGon  of  regional  telecommunicaGon  traffic  exchange  points,  with  a   view  to  improving  quality,  increasing  the  connecGvity  and  resilience  of   networks,  fostering  compeGGon  and  reducing  the  costs  of  internaGonal   telecommunicaGon  interconnecGons.     ü  OECD  Paper   •  Internet  Traffic  Exchange  Market  Developments  and  Policy  Challenges,  OECD   Digital  Economy  Papers  No.  207   hp://dx.doi.org/10.1787/5k918gpt130q-­‐en   ü  ISOC  IXP  Toolkit   •  “The  Internet  Society  was  awarded  a  grant  to  extend  its  Internet  exchange   point  (IXP)  acGviGes  in  emerging  markets  and  developing  countries.”   hp://www.ixptoolkit.org/   13
  • 15. Ecosystem  for  Peering Ø  AddiGonal  fee  for  peering  are  mainly  port  charges  for  IX  providers.     Ø  Peering  are  lower  in  cost  than  transit.   Ø  Payment  for  peering   ü  Eyeball  side   •  Local  access  providers  pay  for  construcGon  of  consumer  network.   •  Without  contents,    nobody  uses  access  network.   ü  Contents  side   •  Contents  distributers  pay  for  the  contents  and  network  for  delivering.   •  Without  users,  no  content  delivered.   Ø  Free  peering  is  an  advantage  for  all  the  parGes.   ü  The  majority  of  content-­‐to-­‐end-­‐user  flows  should  be  free.   ü  For  all  the  parGes,  peering  is  good  tool  for  promoGon  to  their   customers. 14
  • 16. IX  and  Regulators Ø Regulators  should  take  neutral  stance  to  peering   if  domesGc  compeGGve  environment  for  their  IP   network  have  been  developed,   ü To  support  growth  and  evoluGon  of  the  Internet   industry.   Ø Regulators  may  support  coordinaGon  and   cooperaGon  among  parGes.   Ø Regulators  may  support  IX  and  intervene  peering   only  if  their  IP  network  is  under  developing  and   compeGGve  environment  is  poor.       15
  • 17. IX  Status   Global Ø  105  Countries  415  IXPs   ü  IX  is  now  increasing  day  by  day.   Ø  Tier  of  IX   ü  Global  IX   ü  Regional  IX     ü  NaGonal  IX   ü  Local  IX   Ø  Types  of  IX   ü  A  not-­‐for-­‐profit  independent   organizaGon,   ü  A  consorGum  of  ISPs,   ü  A  commercial  company,   ü  An  Academic  and  research  project   ü  A  government  agency,   ü  An  informal  associaGon  of   networks   Ø  IX  Community   ü  Euro-­‐IX   •  First  and  Largest  IX  Community.   •  Formed  in  2001   ü  APIX   ü  LACIX   ü  AFRIX   ü  IX-­‐F   Ø  Development  of  NaGonal  IX   Points   ü  Some  countries  develop  IX  Points   by  themselves.   ü  Some  Global  IX  Providers  foster  IX   Points  in  underdeveloped  regions.   ü  Boom  –up  approach  tend  to  be  a   shortcut  to  success.   16
  • 18. IX  Status   Asia-­‐Pacific  Region Ø  APIX“Asia-­‐Pacific  Internet  Exchange”   ü  An  associaGon  of  Internet  Exchange   Providers  in  Asia-­‐-­‐-­‐Pacific  region.   ü  just  like  Euro-­‐IX  in  Europe   Ø  ObjecGves   ü  To  share  informaGon  about  technical,   operaGonal,  and  business  issues  and   soluGons  regarding  Internet  Exchange.   Ø  APIX  was  established  in  2010  under   the  support  of  APNIC   Ø  APNIC’s  support  for  APIX   ü  Engineering  assistance  for  organizaGons   needed.   ü  APNIC  is  in  a  good  posiGon  to   encourage  on  facilitate  to  share   knowledge  and  experience  among  IX   points  in  the  region.     Ø  Members:  16  IXPs  from  12   economies   ü  BDIX(BD)   ü  HKIX(HK)   ü  BBIX,  DIX-­‐IE,  JPIX,  JPNAP(JP)   ü  KINX(KR)   ü  IIX(ID)   ü  NIXI(IN)   ü  MyIX(MY)   ü  NP-­‐IX(NP)   ü  NZIX(NZ)   ü  SGIX,SOX(SG)   ü  VNIX(VN)   ü  Equinix(US,  HK,  JP,  AU)   Ø  Contact:   ü  sc(at)apix.asia   17
  • 19. IX  Status   Japan Ø Commercial  IX   Providers:  3   ü JPIX   ü JPNAP(Internet   MulGfeed)   ü BBIX   Ø Academic-­‐based  IX   Providers:  1   ü DIX-­‐IE(WIDE  Project)   Ø Global  IX  Providers:  1   ü Equinix   Ø Traffic  at  IX  in  Japan   ü 20%  to  EsGmated  Total   Traffic  in  Japan  are   exchanged  at  IX  points   according  to  the  report   from  MIC.   ü Traffic  between  huge   telecom  carriers  are   exchanged  by  using   private  peers. 18
  • 20. Thank  you! Yoshiki  Ishida   Ishida(at)jpix.ad.jp