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We will let HAL do your
surgery…
Theimplicationsofroboticinnovationin
medicine
Maja Segedi MD
Financial Interests
None to declare
History of Surgical Innovation
Aseptic technique
Joseph Lister – biggest advocate of sterility
“Washing hands is as important before as
after surgery”
New frontiers in surgery became
possible
Minimally Invasive Surgery
Da Vinci’s Mechanical Knight
Endo Wrist Instruments
Stereo Viewer
Imaging Robot
Toronto General Hospital OR 20
Toronto General Hospital
Prostate, kidney, bladder
–  Sept 2008
–  487 cases
–  Prostatectomy, Partial
and Radical Cystectomy,
Partial and Radical
Nephrectomy
Gynecologic Oncology
–  Nov 2008
–  322 cases
–  Hysterectomy, Pelvic
Exenteration*
Colon and rectal cancer
–  June 2011
–  22 cases
–  Low Anterior Resection,
Abdominoperineal
Resection
Chest tumors
–  Oct 2011
–  38 cases
–  Lobectomy*,Tracheo-
bronchial plication,
Thymectomy
Why not do all surgery with
robots?
Cost
da Vinci surgical system
$2,500,00.00 USD
draping the robot/case
$300.00 USD
cost of one robotic instrument
$300-500 USD
Ethical Issues
Do no harm
•  Computing technology is becoming cheaper
and better
•  Machines are becoming cleverer and more
independent at completing human tasks
–  Warfare robots for surveillance, diffusing bombs
–  Cars that self-drive
•  2012 Car can tell if a pedestrian in front and brake
–  Robots for elder care and robotic surgery
http://www.arjenborn.nl
Bomb diffusing military robot
Kuratas
Reuters, Nov 2012
Asimov’s Laws of Robotics
1.  protect humans
2.  obey orders
3.  preserve themselves
Integrating ethics may be more cautious
and less agile than a 'do first, think
later' (or worse 'do first, apologize
later') approach, but it helps us win the
moral high ground - perhaps the most
strategic of battlefields.
Patrick Lin of the California Polytechnic State University in a
briefing to CIA officials (Dec 2012)
EPSRC Principles of Robotics
Robots are multi-use tools. Robots should not be designed solely or primarily
to kill or harm humans, except in the interests of national security.
Humans, not robots, are responsible agents. Robots should be designed &
operated as far as is practicable to comply with existing laws & fundamental
rights & freedoms, including privacy.
Robots are products. They should be designed using processes which assure
their safety and security.
Robots are manufactured artefacts. They should not be designed in a
deceptive way to exploit vulnerable users; instead their machine nature
should be transparent.
The person with legal responsibility for a robot should be attributed.
http://www.epsrc.ac.uk/research/ourportfolio/themes/engineering/activities/Pages/
principlesofrobotics.aspx
Steps to doing robotics right
1. More clarity (laws on what allowed to do)
2. Clarity in the machines
–  Black boxes to record all
•  Eg. driverless car has this (Nevada law)
3. Machines need to embody the right ethical rules
–  Cultural disputes
–  Ethical principles
–  Trolleyology – experimental philosophy (what
percent of population prefers which principle)
Technology has driven mankind's
progress, but each new advance has
posed troubling new questions.
Autonomous machines are no
different. The sooner the questions
of moral agency they raise are
answered, the easier it will be for
mankind to enjoy the benefits that
they will undoubtedly bring.
Thank you
Questions?
Sources
Ü  Ted TV Catherine Mohr 2009 “Catherine Mohr:
Surgery's past, present and robotic future”
Ü  Intuitivesurgical.com
Ü  Economist.com, Feb 2012 “Morals and the
machine”
Ü  Lin, P., Abney, K., Bekey, G.A. (Eds.). (2012).
Robot Ethics: The Ethical and Social Implications
of Robotics (Intelligent Robotics and
Autonomous Agents series). Cambridge, MA:
MIT Press.
Acknowledgements
Ü  Dr. John Irish, University Health Network
Ü  Anne Richards, Surgical Nurse Manager, UHN
Ü  Kate Mlachak
Ü  Reach it all
Ü  See disease
Ü  Leave patient whole and intact and functional
Ü  When you get to your date with the surgeon
Ü  Facing the diagnosis of cancer or heart disease

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Cyborg Camp YVR 2013: Dr. Maja Segedi: “Robots, Surgery and Society”

  • 1. We will let HAL do your surgery… Theimplicationsofroboticinnovationin medicine Maja Segedi MD
  • 3. History of Surgical Innovation
  • 4.
  • 5.
  • 6.
  • 7. Aseptic technique Joseph Lister – biggest advocate of sterility “Washing hands is as important before as after surgery”
  • 8. New frontiers in surgery became possible
  • 9.
  • 11.
  • 12.
  • 14.
  • 17.
  • 18.
  • 20. Toronto General Hospital Prostate, kidney, bladder –  Sept 2008 –  487 cases –  Prostatectomy, Partial and Radical Cystectomy, Partial and Radical Nephrectomy Gynecologic Oncology –  Nov 2008 –  322 cases –  Hysterectomy, Pelvic Exenteration* Colon and rectal cancer –  June 2011 –  22 cases –  Low Anterior Resection, Abdominoperineal Resection Chest tumors –  Oct 2011 –  38 cases –  Lobectomy*,Tracheo- bronchial plication, Thymectomy
  • 21. Why not do all surgery with robots?
  • 22. Cost da Vinci surgical system $2,500,00.00 USD draping the robot/case $300.00 USD cost of one robotic instrument $300-500 USD
  • 23.
  • 25. •  Computing technology is becoming cheaper and better •  Machines are becoming cleverer and more independent at completing human tasks –  Warfare robots for surveillance, diffusing bombs –  Cars that self-drive •  2012 Car can tell if a pedestrian in front and brake –  Robots for elder care and robotic surgery
  • 26.
  • 30.
  • 31. Asimov’s Laws of Robotics 1.  protect humans 2.  obey orders 3.  preserve themselves
  • 32. Integrating ethics may be more cautious and less agile than a 'do first, think later' (or worse 'do first, apologize later') approach, but it helps us win the moral high ground - perhaps the most strategic of battlefields. Patrick Lin of the California Polytechnic State University in a briefing to CIA officials (Dec 2012)
  • 33. EPSRC Principles of Robotics Robots are multi-use tools. Robots should not be designed solely or primarily to kill or harm humans, except in the interests of national security. Humans, not robots, are responsible agents. Robots should be designed & operated as far as is practicable to comply with existing laws & fundamental rights & freedoms, including privacy. Robots are products. They should be designed using processes which assure their safety and security. Robots are manufactured artefacts. They should not be designed in a deceptive way to exploit vulnerable users; instead their machine nature should be transparent. The person with legal responsibility for a robot should be attributed. http://www.epsrc.ac.uk/research/ourportfolio/themes/engineering/activities/Pages/ principlesofrobotics.aspx
  • 34. Steps to doing robotics right 1. More clarity (laws on what allowed to do) 2. Clarity in the machines –  Black boxes to record all •  Eg. driverless car has this (Nevada law) 3. Machines need to embody the right ethical rules –  Cultural disputes –  Ethical principles –  Trolleyology – experimental philosophy (what percent of population prefers which principle)
  • 35. Technology has driven mankind's progress, but each new advance has posed troubling new questions. Autonomous machines are no different. The sooner the questions of moral agency they raise are answered, the easier it will be for mankind to enjoy the benefits that they will undoubtedly bring.
  • 38. Sources Ü  Ted TV Catherine Mohr 2009 “Catherine Mohr: Surgery's past, present and robotic future” Ü  Intuitivesurgical.com Ü  Economist.com, Feb 2012 “Morals and the machine” Ü  Lin, P., Abney, K., Bekey, G.A. (Eds.). (2012). Robot Ethics: The Ethical and Social Implications of Robotics (Intelligent Robotics and Autonomous Agents series). Cambridge, MA: MIT Press.
  • 39. Acknowledgements Ü  Dr. John Irish, University Health Network Ü  Anne Richards, Surgical Nurse Manager, UHN Ü  Kate Mlachak
  • 40. Ü  Reach it all Ü  See disease Ü  Leave patient whole and intact and functional Ü  When you get to your date with the surgeon Ü  Facing the diagnosis of cancer or heart disease