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Findings so far from outcomes data
and looking to the future
Miranda Wolpert

CYP IAPT National Informatics Lead
Chair Outcomes and Evaluation Group
Director CAMHS Outcomes Research Consortium (CORC)
Director Evidence Based Practice Unit (EBPU) UCL & AFC
http://www.iapt.nhs.uk/cyp-iapt
http://www.corc.uk.net
Acknowledgments
Outcomes and Evaluation Group
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Duncan Law- Clinical and outcome monitoring expertise in CAMHS and lead
for COOP
Margaret Murphy- Clinical and outcome monitoring expertise in CAMHS
David Clark - Adult IAPT measurement and analysis expertise
Kate Martin – Young Minds, service user participation expertise
Jessica Deighton – CAMHS measures and psychometric analysis expertise
Paul Wilkinson – CAMHS Psychiatrist with focus on outcome evaluation
Barbara Rayment – Youth Access, Young people’s counselling services
expertise
Margaret Oates – Adult IAPT data collection and collation expertise
Cathy Troupp – Research in use of ROMS in psychotherapy
David Trickey – Service Lead and expert in PTSD
Paul Stallard - CBT and service development expertise
Stephen Scott – Parenting expertise
Ro Rossiter – Learning Disabilities
Emma Morris - Service lead, Cultural issues
Philippe Mandin - Cultural issues
Rabia Malik - Cultural issues
Anne York – CAMHS S specialist
Anne O Herlihy - Service transformation
David Lowe - expert in use of proms in Family therapy
Peter Stratton – Family work
Cathy Street – CYP participation

CORC Nexus consortium
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Dr Isobel Fleming, CORC Programme Lead
Jenna Bradley, CORC Project Manager
Rachel Argent, CORC Research Assistant
Dr Dan Brown, MegaNexus Operations Lead
Lee Murray, MN Project Manager
Phanindra Kaza, MN Senior Software Engineer
Nadia Kuftinoff, MN Project Support
Dan Reader-Powell, MN Systems Administrator

Data managers
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Alex Papdakis
Andrea Shand
Barbara Snaith
Bill Clarke
Claire Newall
Craig Colling
David Markwick
Diana Viscusi
Elaine Blagden
Emma Broda
Fatima Blade
Hannah Mendoza-Wolfsaon
Husman Rafiq
Jacqui legge
Jess Parsons
Julia Yu
Laura Cunnen

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Liam Connolly
Maris Vainre
Mark Coughlin
Mark Lowe
Mary Urquhart
Mel Jarvis
Michelle McFarlane
Michelle Adams
Lesley French
Mike Presneill
Muhammad Akram
Paul Fry
Paul Townley
Sara Barnes
Sarah Oliver
Wendy Geraghty
Outcomes for practice

Outcomes for evaluation
Outcomes for practice and evaluation
Findings so far: outcomes for practice
Outcomes for practice
Assessment/Choice

Partnership/ongoing
work

Review & Close

• What’s the problem?” (assessment) This is understanding the issue the young person
or family have come for help with
• “What do you want to change?” (goals or aims of therapy) – this is understanding
the specific goals the young person or family have - the things they want to work on
in coming to a service

• How are we getting on together?” (engagement or alliance) It is important to get
things right from the start
• “How are things going?” (Symptom/goal tracking) – this is tracking to see if things
are progressing during and intervention

• Have we done as much as we can/need to?” (collaborative decision to close or refer
on) – re-review of question 1 e.g. Time2 SDQ (if not used as tracker in long-term case)
• “How has this experience been generally?” (experience of service overall).
Practice rules
The 4M principles

Minimal Burden

No unnecessary form-filling.

Multiple Perspectives

Consider collecting different people’s views.

Meaningful Use

Only select forms that could provide meaningful
information that will be used by somebody.

Missing Something?

Consider whether any of the forms could fill a gap that
you may not have covered in some other way that
might be useful to know about.
Practice rules
Some Do’s and Don’ts of using clinical outcome tools
Do

Make sure you have the forms you need, ready before the session

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Always explain why you are asking anyone to fill out a form

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Look at the answers

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Discuss the answers with service users

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Share the information in supervision

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Always use information from the forms in conjunction with other
clinical information

Don’t

Give out a questionnaire if you think the person doesn’t understand
why they are being asked to complete them

Don’t

Give use any forms if you don’t understand why you are using it

Don’t

Insist on someone filling out forms if they are too distressed

Don’t

See the numbers generated from outcome tools as an absolute fact

Don’t

See your clinical judgment as an absolute fact
Findings in practice: young peoples’ views
PROMs help make
the balance of power
more equal.

Gives us a shared understanding of
…where we’re starting from.
…where we’re heading to.
…how we’re going to get there.

Enables us to get an in-depth
understanding of what we’re
feeling, why we’re feeling it
and what we can do about it.

It means if we go
off track or get a
bit lost along the
way, we can both
figure out how to
find the way
back again.

Makes us feel like it’s a shared experience
between us and the clinician... like we’re in
this together.

It is important to
monitor outcomes to
make sure the person
feels better not worse

It makes us feel like there is a
point to our therapy

Quotes from young people from YoungMinds consultation in Devon. Reference : Talking About Talking Therapies/Devon CAMHS
Views of members of VIK Young Minds
Findings in practice
“Using outcome measures in a therapy session needs to
be done in a collaborative way with the young person
and they must feel that it is important. Looking at the
data and assessing it both with the young person and
away from the session is key. Don’t just gather the
information; use it to make the therapy better!”
Young person with experience of service use

To join the conversation and see user perspective go
to..
http://www.myapt.org.uk
Findings so far from outcomes for
evaluation data
Outcomes for evaluation
Evaluation rules
The dreaded 90%!
Time 1 Patient Reported
Outcome Measure (PROM)
PROM with clinical norms.

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Time 2 PROM

Education,
employment and
training (EET)
PROM from same
EET information
reporter using same recorded by
questions as Time 1 practitioner

The last recorded measure at point of closure will be used in calculations of outcome
If EET is recorded only once this will be taken as both T1 and T2 measure
Evaluation rules: PROMs with clinical
norms
•SDQ (and/or impact scale separately)
•RCADS (and/or subscales for depression and
different forms of anxiety)
•C/ORS
•Impact of Event Scale
•Behavioural difficulties child and parent
measures.
Annual Report

Evaluation data : who seen Y1
Jan-Dec 2012
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1366 cases opened, 255 cases closed
Mean age 11.9 (SD=4.2; peaks at 8 and 15 yrs)
41.9% male, 57.7% female (0.4% missing)
59.2% White British, 11.6% other ethnicity
(29.2% missing)
• 18.4% of closed cases were only seen once
– of these, 42.6% closed on professional advice
Annual Report

Evaluation data : What sort of problems
(NB mainly from CYP IAPT trainees)

N= 565, Missing N= 678
Behaviour difficulties
Family relationship difficulties
Substance abusing
Depression, low mood
Panic disorder
Anxious socially
Compelled to do or think
ADHD
Severe inter-personal difficulties
Anxious away from home
Traumatic event
Avoids specific things
Anxious generally
Carer management difficulty
Habit problem
Attachment difficulties
Eating difficulties
Self harming
Avoids going out
Toilet difficulties
Gender discomfort
Selective mutism
Psychosis

Mild
Moderate
Severe

0.0

5.0

10.0

15.0
Percentage

20.0

25.0

Note high proportion of missing
data. Not sure this is
representative of all data
submitted.
Annual Report

Evaluation data : Interventions Offered
(NB mainly from CYP IAPT trainees)

N= 688, Missing N= 678

Note high
proportion of
missing data

Note: Categories are not mutually exclusive.
Annual Report

Evaluation data : Information about outcomes
Closed cases seen at least three times with a measure completed at assessment

Percentage
Frequency
% (of all
closed cases)

Minimum cases
sent by
individual site
(percentage of
closed cases in
submission)

Maximum cases
sent by
individual site
(percentage of
closed cases in
submission)

Closed cases with a
symptom specific outcome

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85.1

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100.0

Closed cases with symptom
or general functioning
outcome

154

88.0

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100.0

Closed cases with symptom
and education outcome

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24.0

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84.6

Closed cases either
symptom or general
outcomes and educational
outcome

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25.1

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84.6
Annual Report

Evaluation data : emerging outcomes
• Significant improvement in average scores between
first and last time points for:
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CYP rated panic
CYP rated OCD
CYP rated separation anxiety
CYP rated generalized anxiety
CYP rated general wellbeing (CORS)
Parent rated depression
Goals

• No significant improvement in average scores between
first and last time points for:
– CYP rated depression
Looking to the future: Evaluation
reports
Looking to the future: Practice Guidance
The guide to collecting and using service user feedback and outcomes information
Editors:
Duncan Law and Miranda Wolpert
Contributors include:
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David Trickey
Cathy Street
Peter Stratton
Cathy Troup
Gill Walker
Barry Nixon
Andy Fugard
David Low
Emma Kawartzki
Melanie Jones
Jenna Bradley
Celia Beckett
Mark Dadds
Shona Falconer
Peter Fonagy
Evette Girgis

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Karl Huntbach
Steve Kingsbury
Duncan Law
Claire Maguire
Anita Marsden
Susannah Marks
Nick Midgley
Scott D. Miller
Emma Morris
Kate O’Hara
Kathryn Pugh
Rebecca Putz
Barbara Rayment
Stephen Scott
Brigitte Squire

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Sarah Stewart-Brown
Cathy Street
Frances Taggart
Nick Waggett
Sally Westwood
Paul Wilkinson
Miranda Wolpert
Matt Woolgar
Ann York
Young Sessional Workers from
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Looking to the future:
practice and evaluation

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Findings so far from outcomes data and looking to the future - Dr Miranda Wolpert, National CYP IAPT Informatics Lead

  • 1. Findings so far from outcomes data and looking to the future Miranda Wolpert CYP IAPT National Informatics Lead Chair Outcomes and Evaluation Group Director CAMHS Outcomes Research Consortium (CORC) Director Evidence Based Practice Unit (EBPU) UCL & AFC http://www.iapt.nhs.uk/cyp-iapt http://www.corc.uk.net
  • 2. Acknowledgments Outcomes and Evaluation Group • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • Duncan Law- Clinical and outcome monitoring expertise in CAMHS and lead for COOP Margaret Murphy- Clinical and outcome monitoring expertise in CAMHS David Clark - Adult IAPT measurement and analysis expertise Kate Martin – Young Minds, service user participation expertise Jessica Deighton – CAMHS measures and psychometric analysis expertise Paul Wilkinson – CAMHS Psychiatrist with focus on outcome evaluation Barbara Rayment – Youth Access, Young people’s counselling services expertise Margaret Oates – Adult IAPT data collection and collation expertise Cathy Troupp – Research in use of ROMS in psychotherapy David Trickey – Service Lead and expert in PTSD Paul Stallard - CBT and service development expertise Stephen Scott – Parenting expertise Ro Rossiter – Learning Disabilities Emma Morris - Service lead, Cultural issues Philippe Mandin - Cultural issues Rabia Malik - Cultural issues Anne York – CAMHS S specialist Anne O Herlihy - Service transformation David Lowe - expert in use of proms in Family therapy Peter Stratton – Family work Cathy Street – CYP participation CORC Nexus consortium • • • • • • • • Dr Isobel Fleming, CORC Programme Lead Jenna Bradley, CORC Project Manager Rachel Argent, CORC Research Assistant Dr Dan Brown, MegaNexus Operations Lead Lee Murray, MN Project Manager Phanindra Kaza, MN Senior Software Engineer Nadia Kuftinoff, MN Project Support Dan Reader-Powell, MN Systems Administrator Data managers • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • Alex Papdakis Andrea Shand Barbara Snaith Bill Clarke Claire Newall Craig Colling David Markwick Diana Viscusi Elaine Blagden Emma Broda Fatima Blade Hannah Mendoza-Wolfsaon Husman Rafiq Jacqui legge Jess Parsons Julia Yu Laura Cunnen • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • Liam Connolly Maris Vainre Mark Coughlin Mark Lowe Mary Urquhart Mel Jarvis Michelle McFarlane Michelle Adams Lesley French Mike Presneill Muhammad Akram Paul Fry Paul Townley Sara Barnes Sarah Oliver Wendy Geraghty
  • 4. Outcomes for practice and evaluation
  • 5. Findings so far: outcomes for practice
  • 6. Outcomes for practice Assessment/Choice Partnership/ongoing work Review & Close • What’s the problem?” (assessment) This is understanding the issue the young person or family have come for help with • “What do you want to change?” (goals or aims of therapy) – this is understanding the specific goals the young person or family have - the things they want to work on in coming to a service • How are we getting on together?” (engagement or alliance) It is important to get things right from the start • “How are things going?” (Symptom/goal tracking) – this is tracking to see if things are progressing during and intervention • Have we done as much as we can/need to?” (collaborative decision to close or refer on) – re-review of question 1 e.g. Time2 SDQ (if not used as tracker in long-term case) • “How has this experience been generally?” (experience of service overall).
  • 7. Practice rules The 4M principles Minimal Burden No unnecessary form-filling. Multiple Perspectives Consider collecting different people’s views. Meaningful Use Only select forms that could provide meaningful information that will be used by somebody. Missing Something? Consider whether any of the forms could fill a gap that you may not have covered in some other way that might be useful to know about.
  • 8. Practice rules Some Do’s and Don’ts of using clinical outcome tools Do Make sure you have the forms you need, ready before the session Do Always explain why you are asking anyone to fill out a form Do Look at the answers Do Discuss the answers with service users Do Share the information in supervision Do Always use information from the forms in conjunction with other clinical information Don’t Give out a questionnaire if you think the person doesn’t understand why they are being asked to complete them Don’t Give use any forms if you don’t understand why you are using it Don’t Insist on someone filling out forms if they are too distressed Don’t See the numbers generated from outcome tools as an absolute fact Don’t See your clinical judgment as an absolute fact
  • 9. Findings in practice: young peoples’ views PROMs help make the balance of power more equal. Gives us a shared understanding of …where we’re starting from. …where we’re heading to. …how we’re going to get there. Enables us to get an in-depth understanding of what we’re feeling, why we’re feeling it and what we can do about it. It means if we go off track or get a bit lost along the way, we can both figure out how to find the way back again. Makes us feel like it’s a shared experience between us and the clinician... like we’re in this together. It is important to monitor outcomes to make sure the person feels better not worse It makes us feel like there is a point to our therapy Quotes from young people from YoungMinds consultation in Devon. Reference : Talking About Talking Therapies/Devon CAMHS Views of members of VIK Young Minds
  • 10. Findings in practice “Using outcome measures in a therapy session needs to be done in a collaborative way with the young person and they must feel that it is important. Looking at the data and assessing it both with the young person and away from the session is key. Don’t just gather the information; use it to make the therapy better!” Young person with experience of service use To join the conversation and see user perspective go to.. http://www.myapt.org.uk
  • 11. Findings so far from outcomes for evaluation data
  • 13. Evaluation rules The dreaded 90%! Time 1 Patient Reported Outcome Measure (PROM) PROM with clinical norms. [1] [2] Time 2 PROM Education, employment and training (EET) PROM from same EET information reporter using same recorded by questions as Time 1 practitioner The last recorded measure at point of closure will be used in calculations of outcome If EET is recorded only once this will be taken as both T1 and T2 measure
  • 14. Evaluation rules: PROMs with clinical norms •SDQ (and/or impact scale separately) •RCADS (and/or subscales for depression and different forms of anxiety) •C/ORS •Impact of Event Scale •Behavioural difficulties child and parent measures.
  • 15. Annual Report Evaluation data : who seen Y1 Jan-Dec 2012 • • • • 1366 cases opened, 255 cases closed Mean age 11.9 (SD=4.2; peaks at 8 and 15 yrs) 41.9% male, 57.7% female (0.4% missing) 59.2% White British, 11.6% other ethnicity (29.2% missing) • 18.4% of closed cases were only seen once – of these, 42.6% closed on professional advice
  • 16. Annual Report Evaluation data : What sort of problems (NB mainly from CYP IAPT trainees) N= 565, Missing N= 678 Behaviour difficulties Family relationship difficulties Substance abusing Depression, low mood Panic disorder Anxious socially Compelled to do or think ADHD Severe inter-personal difficulties Anxious away from home Traumatic event Avoids specific things Anxious generally Carer management difficulty Habit problem Attachment difficulties Eating difficulties Self harming Avoids going out Toilet difficulties Gender discomfort Selective mutism Psychosis Mild Moderate Severe 0.0 5.0 10.0 15.0 Percentage 20.0 25.0 Note high proportion of missing data. Not sure this is representative of all data submitted.
  • 17. Annual Report Evaluation data : Interventions Offered (NB mainly from CYP IAPT trainees) N= 688, Missing N= 678 Note high proportion of missing data Note: Categories are not mutually exclusive.
  • 18. Annual Report Evaluation data : Information about outcomes Closed cases seen at least three times with a measure completed at assessment Percentage Frequency % (of all closed cases) Minimum cases sent by individual site (percentage of closed cases in submission) Maximum cases sent by individual site (percentage of closed cases in submission) Closed cases with a symptom specific outcome 149 85.1 0.0 100.0 Closed cases with symptom or general functioning outcome 154 88.0 0.0 100.0 Closed cases with symptom and education outcome 42 24.0 0.0 84.6 Closed cases either symptom or general outcomes and educational outcome 44 25.1 0.0 84.6
  • 19. Annual Report Evaluation data : emerging outcomes • Significant improvement in average scores between first and last time points for: – – – – – – – CYP rated panic CYP rated OCD CYP rated separation anxiety CYP rated generalized anxiety CYP rated general wellbeing (CORS) Parent rated depression Goals • No significant improvement in average scores between first and last time points for: – CYP rated depression
  • 20. Looking to the future: Evaluation reports
  • 21. Looking to the future: Practice Guidance The guide to collecting and using service user feedback and outcomes information Editors: Duncan Law and Miranda Wolpert Contributors include: • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • David Trickey Cathy Street Peter Stratton Cathy Troup Gill Walker Barry Nixon Andy Fugard David Low Emma Kawartzki Melanie Jones Jenna Bradley Celia Beckett Mark Dadds Shona Falconer Peter Fonagy Evette Girgis • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • Sajid Humayun Karl Huntbach Steve Kingsbury Duncan Law Claire Maguire Anita Marsden Susannah Marks Nick Midgley Scott D. Miller Emma Morris Kate O’Hara Kathryn Pugh Rebecca Putz Barbara Rayment Stephen Scott Brigitte Squire • • • • • • • • • • Sarah Stewart-Brown Cathy Street Frances Taggart Nick Waggett Sally Westwood Paul Wilkinson Miranda Wolpert Matt Woolgar Ann York Young Sessional Workers from the GIFT Team
  • 22. Looking to the future: practice and evaluation

Notas do Editor

  1. KATE TO UPDATE- EXPLICITNESSREFER TO CONSULTATION ON GOOD OUTCOMES FOR PRUWHAT’S GOOD ENOUGH / EXPECTATIONS OF BEING “CURED”The overarching message from YP is that if you are good at working with them collaboratively then forms can actually be very helpful. If not, thay won’t be.Forms can help YP to communicate something they may be “scared to say” – It can be easier to tick a box and hand it over than to say it out loud – it’s a way of getting a conversation started
  2. Refers to two or more “symptom or general outcome measurement time points” (this could be RCADS plus one or more symptom trackers, two or more symptom trackers, SDQ plus one or more impact measure, two impact measures, two RCADS or two SDQs) , from the same perspective (Child or Parent) where case seen on 3 or more occasions[2] Refers to two or more “symptom or general outcome measurement time points” (thiscould be RCADS plus one or more symptom trackers, two or more symptom trackers, SDQ plus one or more impact measure, two impact measures, two RCADS or two SDQs) , from the same perspective (Child or Parent) or CORS where case seen on 3 or more occasions[3]Refers to two or more “symptom or general outcome measurement time points” (this could be RCADS plus one or more symptom trackers, two or more symptom trackers, SDQ plus one or more impact measure, two impact measures, two RCADS or two SDQs) , from the same perspective (Child or Parent) AND EET from one time point where case seen on 3 or more occasions[4] Refers to two or more “symptom or general outcome measurement time points” (this could be RCADS plus one or more symptom trackers, two or more symptom trackers, SDQ plus one or more impact measure, two impact measures, two RCADS or two SDQs) , from the same perspective (Child or Parent) or CORS AND EET from one time point where case seen on 3 or more occasions
  3. New measuresConsult on further measures spring 2014New annual report summer 2014
  4. Data uploaded every quarterCurrent no cases taken on: 6397Current no of closed cases: 1244Closed with outcome data: 405 Next Annual report summer 2014Continue to collect :WHO: presenting problem, ethnicity, complexity factorsOUTCOMES: paired normed data