The Purpose of Life Discussion

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The Pupose of Life

Avadhesh Varshneya • Please read
a book called "Autobiography of a
Yogi" by Swarmi Yoganand. The
book summarily answers all the
questions of yours.
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venugopal maganti • I believe that the primary purpose of life is to re produce and keep the species
going ,like all other animals.The more important purpose,as humans, is to improve lives of as many
people as possible,whether or not they related to you,.The universe exists to support the earth,which
alone can support life.The question of life on other planets will be a matter of conjecture for
ever.,for,man is an animal with infinite capacity to dream and imagine.
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Ravi Kant Maheshwari • Ravi Kant Maheshwari • I am also excited to know opinions.....keep on
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Steve Dufourny • Hi Dear all,

I beleive humbly that we are catalyzers of the universal 3D sphere. Inside this sphere, we have a center,
the most important sphere.After we have the cosmological fractal with the moons, the planets, the stars,
the BH, the groups of Super BH .......we have also inside this sphere, quantum spheres, coded since the
begining. The evolution is a road of optimization towards the eternal creativity. We are still young at
the universal scale. 13.7 to 15 billions years, it is young still. All is light in fact, a light became mass on
the line of time. All is composed by the same essence, spheres turning .....
If we are on Earth , there are reasons, we are catalyzers of spherization and harmonization. The
consciouness and the intelligence are tools of spherization and harmonization. All is linked since the
begining....
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Chiranjeevi Tallapragada • Thank you @Avadesh. I will check it out. I would also be interested in
knowing from common people like us how they feel about life. Sometimes when
I flood the dish to drain out ants I feel may be someone is also draining
us out. May be we are also one sort of bacteria some spoiling and some
cleaning up or rejuvenating the earth. What are we in someone else's eyes
(like may be god?)
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karthikeyan arumugathandavan • Chiranjeevi, interesting topic

........ to share a similar thought, when we are forced chase the ants of many types in many situations , I
used to wonder One mug of water is complete flooding for them and a bucket poured is literal
Tsunami ..!!

But could we adjust to live, as suggested by some schools of thought to accommodate all beings &
creatures ...... next to impossibility.

The compromise is the purpose of life .
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jayendra upadhye • Chiranjeevi Tallapragada:
I am a fence sitter. Neither religious nor irrligious. Let me explain. Do you know the mayawadis ..how
they say "Neti-Neti" or "Na-iti", meaning "this is not it".
I prescribe to it in my own way ..not all of science nor all of religion!
What I like about the Rigveda is its Nasadiya sukta, where the concept of the beginning of time and
space is described. It states that before Cosmos evolved out of Chaos, there existed a single entity the
veda calls Hiranya Garbha. "The one with light within". It is interpreted as the Brahmanda or the
cosmic egg.
Formal religion loses its bearings in such an era. Where time and space have no meaning, when chaos
pervades all. Described as "Gahanam agbhiram Saleela", the water of space. Narayan (the one who
came over the waters - of space), is the god underpinning Brahma. (Narayan is no doubt a later
addition).
here is a good translation in english...from wikipedia.
Who really knows? Who shall declare it here?
Whence was it born? Whence issued this creation?
Even the Gods came after its emergence.
Then who can tell from whence it came to be?
None knows when creation has arisen;
Whether He made it or did not make it,
He who surveys it in the highest heaven,
Only He knows, or maybe even He knows not.

Hinduism is the only religion that asked such questions thousands of years ago. No wonder Sankhya's
godless creed developed here. (impersonal formless god).

Read the real sukta here and may be you will get some answer.
This ekam eva advitiya was infested with Ahankara (awareness of the self, ego) and it thought "I am
one let me be many" and that started the world.
In such a scenario, there will be many like us, at other places in the cosmos, some much more ancient
than us!
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jayendra upadhye • Now using Neti-Neti, switch your position and go the scientefic/logical way.
Penguins, to impress their females gather stones all around their legs. The lady-penguin is impressed
with the guy with most stones. The guy thinks "hey I am rich"! Presto, the lady uses the nest to breed.
Both are happy. They breed, raise young and die. The stones are forgotten.
Now look at humans ..they amass riches and power, (stones on a beach), impress women, raise
children, fight some wars (sangharsh), win some lose some, then die.
The riches stay back, are used up and gone.
Who gains? What is the gain?
I sometimes feel it is all a jaal. The ultimate gainer is the impersonal collection we call the species.
People come and go, the only objective is the simplest one! Perpetuation of the species.

And higher up somewhere, the super organism GAIA straddles the planet in splendid isolation. It plans,
It plots, Its ultimate purpose entirely out of our puny ambit, and drives life throughout. Kasmai devaya
havisha vidhema?
Who is this GOD, that we shall worship?
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jayendra upadhye • The sukta link...http://www.astrojyoti.info/NasadiyaSuktam.htm .
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Chiranjeevi Tallapragada • Thank you @Jayendra. Some I understood some I didn't. May be that is
why I
asked this question. As they say one who knows won't have any questions and
one who doesn't know also won't have any questions.

I liked your Penguin's example. The only difference is both men, women as
well as children are after the pebbles in case of human beings.
There is this movie 'In Time'. Where everyone remains young but lives only
for one year after they are 20. The transactions are all in terms of time.
Very interesting concept. Everyone spends the time left to gain time so
that they can live longer. I wonder if this is the purpose of life on earth
to keep working to extend one's life. Those who have plenty of time don't
know what to do with their time. Their
time goes in protecting that nobody steals their time. It sounds funny when
seen in this way. But how different is real life anyway?
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venugopal maganti • I am no fence sitter,and the universe is supposed to have started from soonya,--a
point which has no dimensions,but from it emerge lines,figures in 2,3 and multi dimensions-and the
entire universe-when did this happen?from the dimension less point emerged the universe in an in
finitely tiny fraction of a second,and that is the beginning of the cosmic time scale,on which ,again the
appearance and extinction of human beings is ,but a small fraction-and when does it end,and how?it
will go back in to the dimension less point,from which it once emerged,again in a tiny fraction of a
second--and when?when the cosmic time scale decides to stop--and who decides?the same one who
initiated the creation--whether that some body exists or not,is a question with out answer--one should

ask him/her self,what gives a person conscious ness,and what happens to it ,when he leaves the world--
it is an oscillating pendulum,between life and death ,with no resting point--only life and death are
certain,and even that appears to be a maya,if you think too much--that is why mere mortals like me are
happy with a simplistic explanation,AS I MENTIONED IN MY EARLIER COMMENT and carry on
with my work in the time left for me on this great earth(I,WHO?)
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karthikeyan arumugathandavan • .-

( then ) .......What is the purpose of the Universe ?!?!
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jayendra upadhye • Karthikeyan, mere mortals dont bother with that question.
But it is entirely possible that if there is a creator, the purpose may be so alien and lofty, we wont
accept it even if someone were to tell it.
Read "Childhood's end" (Clarke / Aldiss). It is powerful SF.
It deals with this question.
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Syed Imam • I think answer to this question is that its a test for us and who pass will be rewarded
Heaven and failure to this test will thrown to Hell
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Ujwal Jha • I find this post a bit Childish. Young people like to ask these question, there is no answer to
this question however there are many people searching for the answers everyday. We do have better
understanding to the world we live.

To understand this we need to know what we are, you may not enjoy to learn that we humans are! We
are the most dangerous virus, and as we know that the viruses (most of them) are tuned to use the
available resources and grow as fast as one virus can. We are doing the same, consuming the resources
as and growing our population.

If you look at scientific researches made through out the history until today has two basic purposes.

1. Provide human longer life. Which of course has got lots of success as well. We live twice as longer
than just 100 years ago our ancestors could even imagine.

1. Find ways to travel faster. If we want to know what is around earth and what is in our solar system,
we must travel faster. We have had great success in knowing about our solar system.

There is nothing called Grand Design of GOD. Life is evolved. There are 16 episodes of The universe
series on History Chanel. Watch them ....... It has latest information from different Probes in Space
updated till 2010.

If the knowledge of these discoveries becomes common, most of religion will lose its holds. But the
truth is truth. We are a kind of virus and we need more and more resources to live comfortably and
healthy so that we can travel faster and gather all the resources available in the universe.
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Ujwal,

I think about religion / tradition / culture on this subcontinent , you have unscientific view. All Indian
practices have a very strong scientific basis .

There are many many examples ..........!!
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jayendra upadhye • Ujawal.." travel faster and gather all the resources available in the universe. " and
do what?
THAT was the question.
What is the purpose of life on earth? Why does the universe exist? Does anyone or anything else knows
about existence other than us?
Truly speaking, we dont know the answer.
If self replicating DNA evolved into what we are today, WHY did that happen? Sirely there needs to be
a purpose?
You can understand the uselessness of ear sleep breed die cycle after cycle..surely?
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jayendra upadhye • We need to know the higher purpose. Some claom to see it. Others theorize only.
But try we must.
Even if childishly.
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jayendra upadhye • Syed Imam:
I have nothing against religion, but...
What is the point of sending people to eternal damnation and eternal heaven?
That would be a sheer waste of resources. Even for god!
Furthermore, a god who makes us, and whom you call Rahim (merciful), why the heck would he
behave llike some D company Don, being judgemental on his own creation!
What would be the difference then in such a vengeful angry god and a village hegemon?
Break out of this shell of human values plastered on a god.
A universal god is above all this. Has to be.
Vedic aryans had these jealous gods (Indra). European aryans had Thor and Odin.
But later the Indian aryans realized their error and talked of the one god that is all encompassing.
Even later, came the nirishwarvadis godless creeds who were equally respected. Buddha himself did
not advocate any god.
He stressed more on Pancha-Shila.
Something akin to a chinese religion that stresses more on right actions.
THAT is nore honest than saying god will eternally damn or reward some one for their actions.
THAT leaves NO room for improvement / refornation.
Yes the concept of Tauba is there, but what of prople who never repent? Eternal hell?
Karma siddhanta atleast holds out promise of salvation even to the damned of the damned.
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jayendra upadhye • Good Zinnia M, but it pains me when perfectly well educated people stick to this
"angry god heaven hell" stuff just as an article of faith. I expect educated people NOT to take anything
as just "articles of faith" Afterall here we are, discussing higher things and here is "alice in wonderland
stuff"! Its a bit difficult to sromach once we see that historically these heaven / hell guys have between
them killed more people than most other religions. The Bible with its inquisition, and crusades, and
Islam with its sowrd. The massacres in India are legend. Are we to endure these things again and again?
Akbar the great's massace at Chottod after Haldi Ghati is famous. And so is Nadir Shah's at Delhi.
There is something barbaric and uncouth about this pious heaven / hell bullshit, and someone has to
call a spade a spade. Enough of Nehruvian hypocrisy of sugar coating things and calling all that
"historical ties"! All I can say is "My foot"!

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venugopal maganti • I find odd comments like childish--,a bit too harsh--for thosands of years,Indians
spent millions of hours on this subject and concluded that every thing you feel,see and enjoy is
momentary and later a myth.Every thing is dependent on man's imagination,invention,and through his
constant endeavor man has always tried to modify,nature ,rather than adapt and live with it in peace.If
the chinese had advanced science and maths ,back in 4th or 5th centiuries,the europeans re discovered
the likes of telescope,only in 14 th century from the chinese version--and the Indians had astronomy
and maths with them for thousands of years--while the animal lurking in the man always tells him to
live to feed and re produce,even at the expense of others,religion,philosophy,culture,traditions,and
civility tried to reign in these animal instincts,and hence this 7 billion population today--
simultaneously,Indian philosophy sought to put the limitations and illusions of human mind through
several texts in perspective,which were developed by the best possible minds over thousands of years.
A regular example quoted is ,there are a thousand earthern pots with water,and in each pot the Sun is
present--it's image gives you the impression that the sun is present in each one of them--and this is the
illusion,that the man feels,as he is himself the earthern pot(body) ,and the conscious of self being the
image,the Sun here represents the universal/cosmic conscious,which itself can be an illusion,and
consequently,the image in the earthern pot

By the way,I too am an engineer,and know that science has improved human life,and has given it many
pleasures--but,it also threatens to destroy the species,and whether we will bequeath anything to future
generations ,again depends on the wisdom of humans--science,my friends,is no gospel of truth,and
often contradicts it self--and the knowledge TV channels also dish out several programmes on Egyptian
mummies,allegedly based on re search by western scholars,re searchers,and intellectuals--the visual
impact of all those stars exploding,formation of earth,moon,evolution of life etc,, are theories,my
friends,there is no video of the original events--yes,they give you enough logic,and create the illusion
in audience that what they propose is absolutely true and nothing but true--what they do not show,how
ever are the views of a plethora of scientists,who oppose these views as mere imagination,and full of
false assumptions--if theory of relativity it self is disputed,what else can be an etenal truth?And by the
way,ALBERT EINSTEIN was no atheist--why?
Be cause science helps you only to understand nature and not create it--and to day,as now science
says,the axiom that energy can not be produced or destroyed,but can only be transformed from one
form to other--it self stands contradicted,with big bang theory--no body is sure,whether energy got
created first,or matter,as they are both interchangeable.Let's keep science and religion separate,but I
must remind you,both are dependent on faith of their followers
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karthikeyan arumugathandavan • Venugopal

.........Nice posting there but please have one point for further thoughts / consideration

................ as far this sub-continent is concerned, religion was and is Science !!

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Vivek Srivastava • The purpose of life is to live on this earth enjoy the resources without any damage to
nature or hurting anyone.If you enjoy your life your creator will also feel happy ( Like a parent feel
happy if Kids are happy ).why some one created this life system , to my understanding its all to
maintain the flow of life itself, thats why the reproduction capabilities.There is no sperate Heven or
Hell , its all in this life only.there are five mahaboot which controls the life - kaam, krodh, lobh, moh
and ersya.for more information please refer book Gita.
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Syed Imam • @ Jayendra, Yes Allah is Rahim, but also He is the best Judge, and in law Good and Evil
cannot be equal, and according to law Evil is bound to be panalised for his acts. You are free to have
your own views.
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jayendra upadhye • Syed thanks for the magnanimous "allowance"!
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Syed Imam • Its my "pleasure" Sir
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jayendra upadhye • Imam..
My problem with "He is the best Judge, and in law Good and Evil cannot be equal, and according to
law Evil is bound to be panalised for his acts." is that who is to say what is good and bad?
THIS attachment to heaven / hoors / hell can have devastating results as many in Pakistan are learning
every day.
I attended a show titled "Islam religion of peace" by a man muslims idolise. (Zakir Naik).

At the end of the show, a fellow got up and asked Zakir.."I have a hindu friend who is pious, takes care
of his parents, has no vices like smoking and drinking, is kind to all, will he go to heaven?"..and then
came the Zakir Gem.
Please consider Zakir's answer and why I hate "heaven hell" preachers / believers.
Zakir said.
"That hindu will go to hell, simply because he is not a muslim! He is failing to offer Namaz 5 times a
day. Plain and simple".
I was stumped by the arrogance of that statement.
Islam has killed thousands simply because they were not good enough as they were not muslims.
(Hajjaj's order to Mohammad Bin Qasim that he was being too easy on the Kaffirs and the massacres at
Debal and Brahmanabad).
Christians under Cortes and Pizzaro decimated whole civilizations in south America and plundered
their gold. All because the natives were NOT christian and so were good enough for the kill.
What happened in 26/11 and who were the planners every one knows.
Can you negate all that?
We all know who perpetrated the kiilings in Bangladesh and why. One of the politicians in Pakistan had
gloated during the killings "aaj Iman taaza ho gaya". (Reodad Khan 1971). Wah! kya iman hai..jo logon
ko marte dekh taza hota hai !!
THIS blood lust can come only in people who believe in heaven/hell and not to forget, the 72 hoors
waiting for them in heaven if they kill people declared vajib-ul-qatl"
(ex:- salman taseer)
THIS is my opposition to jahil thoughts of heaven / hell.
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jayendra upadhye • Imam:
Crime and its punishment by Allah apart, what is your take on the three questions posed by
Chiranjeevi?
Just turning the beads of the rosary and going to heaven and enjoying hoors / twanging a silly harp
"forever" could not possibly be the answers.
Any thing more concrete than that?
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Ujwal Jha • Sorry for harsh words. I did not mean anything. Friends.... I know what you do not want to
know and have very little knowledge. Even if I pest link of references, but you wont consider because
of the situation you are in.

Let me put it this way. Do we know what is life mean on earth? Life as we know it .... created by god
and which is why we had lots of myth. We believed that the earth is in center and our early scientists
were killed or jailed because it was a threat to religion and god. Today its almost gone.

We or any other species are basically an energy transforming device. Our job is to harvest energy. True,
modern scientific researches has destroyed many species. So it will be worse in future because the new
understanding is very different. We human need more and more energy. We are growing on rapid speed.
To secure the required energy we will take away all the animals from planet earth.

I know you do not like to hear that but I am telling you what you would see after 50 years. For an
example cow collects energy and gives us back in the form of milk and beef. But cow as an energy
transforming device is not very efficient, or not as efficient as we can make our own, result they will
not be allowed to live on earth for too long because we need efficient tools. It is the future science, you
like it or not but it will certainly happen.

Just today Netherlands has decided to ban all kinds of Halal meat. Things will change rapidly and
people wont go against it because that will give human a longer life. If you are not biased and follow
the modern method of life, you may live up to 125 years.

The reason we need longer life and faster travelling device so that we can explore the universe. With
this life spam and speed of travel we cant go far. Which is why if you look at the scientific researches
made in last two decades are generally to answer two problems.

1. How can we live longer?
2. How can we travel faster??

I am born in a Brahman Family. I am well aware of Hinduism and its ideology. I like to see tomorrow. I
believe that every thing has its life and religions are about to finish their life cycle. It is probably not so
great but Islam is certainly challenged very strongly, the future of any religion is not bright.
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Ujwal Jha • I had a Poem in my high school Hindi book.
Fir kya hoga uske baad?
Ravi se Ujjwal, shashi se sundhar nav badhu ghar aayegi,
Fir kya hoga uske baad??

What will happen next? The boy goes on asking this question and finally mother gets annoyed and
says.
Fir may mar jaungi....

She says she will die out.

So the question what is the purpose of life has got very similar answer. Right now the purpose of life is
to explore the universe we live and find more resources so that we can keep growing. We will have new
purpose once we have got what we are searching today.
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Ujwal Jha • @Mr. Karthikeyan..... I think you do not understand me. You wont understand me. I have
some questions for you, try to answer them if you can. I bet your answers would reveal why India is
still a developing country!

You have said "All Indian practices have a very strong scientific basis." Really is that so??

Have you seen a movie Water? Directed by Mira Nayar? If not watch and tell me which science
suggests to through widows to Varanasi?

Burning a dead body is not something we should argue but tell me how scientific it is to take the left
over of ashes of dead and carry it to river Ganges?

Is it scientific to kill those who wants to marry in the same Gotra?? Well Islam permits it?? One of
them must be unscientific?

How scientific is Mundan Or janau or Shradha ?? At least I do not find these culture has any scientific
background.

Please do answer and explain how these act of Hindus are scientific??
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karthikeyan arumugathandavan • @ Ujwal,

Don't believe it , forget it and there is no hurry to Discover IT :)
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jayendra upadhye • Ujwal jee you think like me!
I always ask this question ..what is scientific in religion?
Mind you philosophy and religion are two different things.
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One example, the traditions in this subcontinent were ( is ? ) highly scientific !

___________

* The Timing and Quality of Early Experiences Combine to Shape Brain Architecture *

'Critical aspects of brain architecture begin to be shaped by experience before and soon after birth, and
many fundamental aspects of that architecture are established well before a child enters school '

' The architecture of the brain depends on the mutual influences of genetics, environment, and
experience. Genetics supplies a basic plan for brain development, just as an architect supplies a
blueprint for building a house. The genetic plan instructs the basic properties of the nerve cells and lays
down the basic rules for interconnecting
nerve cells within and across circuits. In this manner, genes provide the initial construction plan for the
brain’s architecture. The environment in which the brain begins
to develop can have a profound influence on its initial architecture. Just as the selection of the best
building materials enables the realization of the full potential of an architect’s blueprint, a healthy
environment beginning in the prenatal period allows the full potential of the genetic plan for the brain
to be expressed. This includes an abundant supply of nutrients, an absence of toxins, and the healthy
personal and social'

......................................................................................................................

Read more:

http://www.ecdgroup.com/docs/lib_005471954.pdf

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..........It is a well-known story how Narada Mamuni hijacked an offspring of Asura and literally brain

washed him in the womb itself .........

Discover IT :)

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jayendra upadhye • Dear Karthikeyan you are referring to whom? Prahlada? or Dhruva?
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karthikeyan arumugathandavan • ..-

Jayendra

I sincerely do not know who is ' Dhruva ' :)

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Syed Imam • @Jayendra, I wondered why you shifted each discussion towards Pakistan, actually i am
here to participate in creative discussions not to abuse anyone. on the other hand you are quite poor in
history (e.g you don't know why Bin Qasim attacked Dibal?). I also want to tell you that you don't try
to think on issues and take media reports as truth. Tell me why India is failed to provide concrete
evidence to Pakistan regarding 26/11 just as US failed to provide any evidence relating to Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction. Furthermore, you are also biased, why you don't say anything about
700,000 Indian soldiers voilating humanity by killing innocent Kasmiris, why you don't talk about UN
resolutions on Kashmir Issue,why you don't say anything on Indian voilation of Sind Taas Treaty by
building almost 54 dams, why you dont take up the issue of Khalistan, Why you don't say anything
what Indian army did in Golden Temple, why you don't tell me about WADA and about more than 25
independence movements in india,why you don't say anything regarding Moody's crimes in Gujrat,
Why you don't say anything for Shiv Sina and baal Thakure for their sheer harassment to
Minorities,why you dont say anything about involvement of Indian serving Colonel Prohit in Train
Bombings which has been proved by your own agencies,why you don't say anything against US attacks
on Iraq and Afghanistan. Are muslims not human?????

If you really have love for humanity then have courage to talk on these issues???
Otherwise it will be a proof of your biasedness.

Now answers to Questions of Chiranheevi,
Ans-1) Its a test for us
Ans-2) universe is an Examination Hall
Ans-3) Allah and Farishte
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jayendra upadhye • Dear Syed,
You really mean this universe was built by allah for all of us to appear in some sillly examination?
Give us a break.
Regarding all the other stuff you have written, the less said the better.
Have you even read the UN resolutions?
They clearly state that Pakistan is to go back to status quo ante, ie return all of kashmir the guys looted
from India in 1948 under the guise of Tribals. (old habit that surfaced again in Kargil).
Then the Indians would demilitarise.
Now PAKISTAN HAS ALREADY ILLEGALLY CEDED POK to the Chinese.
So the Pakistani government knows implementing the UN resolutions is impossible.
That figure of 700,000 is so much mugged up by most writers, they forget they are bombing their own
people with planes and artillery on waziristan.
Dont we all know how the Kashniri Pundits were driven oit by slogans "aap ki biwi Behenen yahin
chhod jaao" over the loudspeakers?
so dont bring in Kashmir. Your records in Bangladesh are all over the net.
Regarding dams, see what your own ministers say about the Indus water treaty, that there is no vilation
at all. Your poor upkeep of canals is to blame. Most are breached by interested parties as happened
during the flood this year itself, and reported in your own papers. Stop quoting the bible to us please.
Aksai chin China se wapas le lo, POK free karo fir kashmir ki baat karo.
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jayendra upadhye • I have to bringall this up simply because of non serious answers to a serious
discussion. no one is interested in harp twanging heavens and fire and brimstone hells.
we want something higher than that stone age stuff.
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Syed Imam • @ Jayendra,

You are even manner less, you know that muslims are much conscious about the word Allah, and you

intentionally didnt start the word with capital letter. So in my opinion you are not a person with whom
any discussion could be made.You are also full of hate for Pakistan. My father migrated from Bihar to
Bengal (East Pakistan) so i have very well aware that what were happened in East Pakistan.
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jayendra upadhye • My posts are full of typos..always. Many know this may be you dont.
All my arguments have been against incorrect facts.
International opinion seems to be opposite of most of your views.
Which you then dismiss as incorrect journalism.
Ok with me.
Now any deeper thoughts on the 3 questions? Apart from fire and brimstone that is..
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Steve Dufourny • Indians and pakistanians are brothers like the israelians and palestinians....please dear
thinkers, how could you solve the probelms if already the high thinkers of the country are not in
agreement ??? The responsbility of universal thinkers is so important,you must show to your countries
that it is possible to find concrete solutions with universlism and rationality.
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Chiranjeevi Tallapragada • Dear @Syed @Jayendra
Has god created humans or humans created god is another question that can
never be answered. To me one god created humans but they have become extra
smart and created so many gods. He has given us one tongue but we have
created so many languages, he has given us one earth and we have created so
many boundaries, he has given us two hands and we created weapons so
powerful that can kill millions with one finger tip. So, I am wondering if
God has really made us or have we made God?

God, religion are given to us by our parents. We don't choose them (at
least a majority of us.) Its like a name, an identity. Period. I have no
dispute with your name so why should I have any dispute with your
religion?

What makes me feel bad is every discussion turns into a verbal dispute
between two people. This way our minds are not expanding they are just

exploding.
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karthikeyan arumugathandavan • Steve

Who is Israel , India or Pakistan - that might bring in some peace out here :)
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Chiranjeevi Tallapragada • Verrry smart...@Karthikeyan
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Steve Dufourny • the peace and the love like the compassion are the only things which remains us....on
this earth ...it is also the only things which can solve our global problems...
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Nimu Shenoy, MBA • Chiranjeevi, I will think about your questions and provide a response soon.

You also made the following comment,"What makes me feel bad is every discussion turns into a verbal
dispute between two people. This way our minds are not expanding they are just exploding." Thank
you for saying this. I personally abandoned a few interesting discussions because there was constant
battle. It is fine to have differing opinions, but I think one should be tactful and respect the others'
thoughts.

Hopefully, we will all use this forum to learn from each other. If not, I feel that ILN may start losing
some of its good members.
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jayendra upadhye • So are we to take hook line and sinker some argument that god made the universe
for all of us to pass some silly exam and then go on playung a silly harp forever on some cloud if we

pass, and burn eternally in brimsrone if we fail?
And all this to be facilitated by a 100 turns of the rosary or bowing xyz times to the ground, destroying
other prople's places of worship, beheading and bombing them to hell and then preaching this silly
practice over the net?
Do you want me to put up with that crap?
Just so that the discussion remains goody goody?
I hope we have the honesty to call bullshit just that.
Prople who feel I am harsh need to read the book "the subtle subversion", by an ex extremist. He
describes how his comrades laughed every time after a bomb blast poliricians came out and said "it is
not the religion that is bad it is the practitioners".
And all the time, the book continued to be a primer on how to kill kafirs and enjoy their women and
children. Clear instructions of "kill all able bodied men and use the women without impregnating them"
being some of those holy instructions!
We are fiddling when Rome is about to burn.
Come on! call a spade a spade at least.
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jayendra upadhye • I suggest keep religious talk away from this forum. But if it is indeed discussed,
then at least let us not condone silly and shallow talk. High philosophy is ok, not some barbaric stone
age stuff.
Secondly all I have done is clarify wrong facts, and pull down some silly conspuracy theories.
One of these guys told me in Dubai, "hum ne India mein bomb fode usliye app log chup ho gaye".
(Musharraf recently said the same thing when talking of Dawood Ibrahim). And he was an ordinary
person, an engineer. He and his friends used to refularly harangue us on statue worship. He was openly
cheering the Pakistani side during 20-20. He would regularly force us to reduce TV volume the
moment the namaz started. He is now employed in Reliance Bombay. Imagine, with this mindset, what
can happen if god forbid there is a war tomorrow.
And then they say "aap log hamein shak ki nagahon se dekhte ho".
Come on!
Syed jee ne bade garv se kaha ki unka iman pahele dharam par hai, country comes bad mein.
And not one soul here stirred. No pious lectures were heard.
Cant you see if that outlook is practiced, how dangerous it is to any country?
Yet the slumber is so deep. The mounting of high moral horses continues.
Pahele swarg jana hai, achha dikhna hai..country gayi bhad mein.
On top I am hearing pious talk of two people arguing. Nero is surely busy in India, with his fiddle!
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jayendra upadhye • I am quitting this "all is well" rollypolly thread NOW.

Surely some people can reach a step closer to sainthood in the mean time.
And as I said, the country may go to.....
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jayendra upadhye • Kindly refer:- http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/women_slaves.htm
Or read the holy book itself ! And be enloghtened as to why Bangladesh rapes happened. And be
enlightened what awaits you if you continue to slumber like now.

Bye all.
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Nimu Shenoy, MBA • Chiranjeevi, I personally liked your question and feel that it is a topic that is
good to answer for oneself. It really should be thought-provoking because it is quite philosophical too.
Often times, a lot of questions on ILN are either directly leadership-related or politically-inclined. It is
important for a leader to also consider philosophical topics because it encourages brainstorming and
goal-setting.

I took some time to quickly read through these comments. This question should be one's own reflection
of existence and purpose in life. It is okay if one has feelings that religion is a part of it, but it is not
necessary to express your own set of beliefs.

For me, as time passes, I believe that my purpose is to share light-heartness and joy with people. Deep
down, I am not happy all the time, but I would like others to feel that they can smile and laugh through
their life journey. Arif K. has a post about abundance mentality, and this is what I believe is my
purpose. Bring something for others and joy will return to me.
Well, at least I have an answer to one of your questions!

Remember everyone -- The Universe is balanced with the good and the bad. We all contribute to both
good and bad whether intentional or not. This is what makes the Universe whole.
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............When one is born , physical form as a human being - what all does one bring along with them.

Nothing !! or they just appear in a preexisting space

because mountains , oceans sun, moon ... all exist before and after their life time -.

do they at least come with knowledge / information of such paces ............

they can always leave a dent in the space , effects which could be felt for a long time to come

how do people collectively build spaces or clear off each other's space for fun

one builds one's space to keep it's form , should it destroy other ones forms & space

does one and one&all have thought space too..............................

Life is an empty space !
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jayendra upadhye • Haha! Karthikeyan! My firm resolve to stay away from this thread had to go once I
read your statement!
But then do you mean thinking "all this was there before I came and will be there after I go", one
should remain passive and not react to the obvious?
With this philosophy (similar to the mayavadis running away from the "real world"), people will stop
defending even their own country! (Precisely what ailed India in the midddle ages and ails india even
now).
If you look at history, Buddhism had this effect on countries that adopted it. (Central asian republiks
and even Mongolia of all countries, were / was Buddhist for a time in the middle ages.
These firece people were soon overtaken by others the moment they were introduced to pacifism of the
Buddhists. Why! Buddhism was taken to China not by Indian monks but by Turkish Buddhist
missionaries!
Kalhan in Rajatarangini mentions that Lalitaditya of Kashmir had a Turkish Buddhist as his minister.
I feel savages conquer peaceful states, themselves get civilized and soft in turn to be conquered by
others...an ongoing process..the wheel of time, the Kaala-Chakra!
Example: The turks conquered the eastern Roman empire at constantinople some time in 1500 AD. In
due course, The wily Brits overthrew them easily as they had become soft! Another case is that of the
Arabs. Once a mighty conquering power, the savage Mongols under Halaku Khan overran Baghdad
(1250 AD) and raised a mountain of dead people by strangulating the whole populace, and killing the
Caliph by putting him in a carpet and making horses/elephants tread on it! The righteous Halaku it
appears had made a treaty with the Khalif that he would take the city without shedding blood!
What do you think?
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Syed Imam • @ Nimu@Chiranjeevi, Everyone is allowed to express his/her ideas but he/she should not
be allowed to impose them on others, i had just given my input on your question.I think this forum is

not a place of battle, so i asked everone that just give your opinion without any offensive remarks.
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jayendra upadhye • Just completing my last post.
This action of Halaku (sack of Baghdad) had the most salutory effect on the Arabs and their worldview
(the mutazilites-asharites debate: search the net for that).
This debate is important as in a way it also applies to Indians.
While on the Mongols, we should give credit where it is due, The Egyptian Arabs (under Beibers)
routed the Mongols conclusively at the battle of Ain-jalut (Spring of Goliath)
If that had not happened, the "scourge of god" would have made all Europe subservient to Mongol
supremacy. No womder children had Ming the merciless as villain in flash gordon tales! It also
explains the European gut feeling about people with mongoloid features.
Coming to the questions, I somerimes feel humans may not be qualified yet to answer them. For we are
not very much above the animals as of now, to put things honestly.
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THOMAS AW • Sure Chiranjeevi, Every morning the Flowers know how to smile at you, and the
Plants know how to communicate with you, they know that, you are there for them, to keep their spirit
High.

Universe is a large DREAM, we exist to play as actors & actresses, according to the
script of, the Invisible mystic power of NATURE.

THOMAS AW
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* ' to provide livelihood for his subjects ' *.

News article,

The Tamil inscription also says that Rajaditya was killed while seated on the elephant (“aanai mel
thunjiya Chola deva”). The Karhad plates mention that one of the aims behind Krishna III's invasion of
the Chola territory was * ' to provide livelihood for his subjects ' *.

http://www.thehindu.com/arts/history-and-culture/article2636819.ece

.........Essentially If one decides to fill their space as King or Carpenter ....etc, One has to convert
necessary spaces and clear of the space of some living beings too.

Imagine how many such space fights happen and likely to extend to space & outer space .

Part and parcel of space clearance for again nothing in the end ................

China Will Own the Moon, Space Entrepreneur Worries

http://www.space.com/13331-china-space-race-moon-ownership-bigelow-ispcs.html

more comments

http://lnkd.in/Y9jNw5

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Syed Imam • @Thomas, i think you are inspired by Shakespear ideology, am i right???
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THOMAS AW • Syed, you still read Shakespear ? That was donkey years ago, when He was the
compulsory textbook, in my kiddy school term.

I am a Thinking person, * NO Ideology needed to strangle my neck.

Cheers ! THOMAS AW
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Syed Imam • @Thomas, my dear friend a considerable number of people think that Shakespear was a

great philosopher of his times specially in UK. He also Laid that " the world is a stage and all of us are
actors, we all play our role and then left the stage"
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THOMAS AW • Hi Syed, Correct - Shakespear is talking about the Worldly mundane stage, whereas;
Chiranjeevi is asking for the cosmic Universe of infinity.

So, she has an Omni Dream with bigger players, looks similar but, once you examine closer, the
Difference is tremendous. * Mere physical players of Shakespear : appeared once in the Theatre of life.

THOMAS AW
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Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi on flow

Mihaly Czikszentmihalyi asks, "What makes a life worth living?" Noting that money cannot make us
happy, he looks to those who find pleasure and lasting satisfaction in activities that bring about a state
of "flow."

http://www.ted.com/talks/mihaly_csikszentmihalyi_on_flow.html
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jayendra upadhye • Karthikeyan:
for once dear fellow do let us YOUR OWN views minus the links! By now I am kind of dying to
know :)
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................Okay :)
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Atul Saksena • I find all comments very interesting and showing different perceptions. Keep Posting..
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THOMAS AW • Atul : Welcome to action, participate and give us some comment on what do you
Think, all members can discuss on this interesting Topic.

Thanks, THOMAS AW
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Chiranjeevi Tallapragada • @Jayendra I am sure you will agree that all our philosophy, thinking is but
belief. You may not also dispute the fact that there is no hierarchy in
beliefs. My guess is there is no hierarchy even in evolution of life
because there is no direction in space. Which way is up and which way is
down. I think this is how it is intended to be. If we accept that every
thought is equally important or unimportant, the choice to connect to any
idea is based on something that is inside us rather than outside us.

From: India Leadership Network
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Chiranjeevi Tallapragada • @Karthikeyan, one thing one definitely brings (back) with them is mass,
which is formed through the processes in the womb. Wow, we are nothing but
the indestructible energy converted into mass. If so we are but recycled
energy. That is why may be we cannot escape from the thoughts that have
existed before us or if it we have to do it, may be our mind needs escape
velocity to get rid of the gravity of thoughts that keep us hooked.
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Good one, ..............Discover IT :)

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jayendra upadhye • Chiranjeevi, can you make some sense out of your 2 posts above?
Some beliefs we can surmise are truths.
example:- Fire burns whether Iam in my house, in America or on a different planet. (As long as fire as
we know it can exist there. Based on that, I can surmise that fire Burns! Period.
Likewise, (as said in the Nasadiya and hiranyagarbha suktas), everything that starts, has an end.
The gods all started some time (they have their tales of genesis), so perforce they will end some day.
This universe by the law of mathematical induction, was not there once (before the big bang), is there
currently, so will not be there some day.
What is THAT which remains through out?
Which is THAT ('tat' in sanskrit) entity which we shall worship? Is the Rigvedic question.
About an attributeless 'it'. No gender, no attributes (Nirguna). THIS we can understand.
Like understanding the null set which is subset of all sets, this IT pervades all cosmos since time
immemorial.
This we can understand too.
IT, (GOD) is all around you. The wind passing over your hair is IT's touch!
Think that and it can be really enthralling.
Have you read the Gaia theory?
Clarke's A encounter with Rama is a similar story.
That is why Yogis attempt to Yoke (Yuj) with IT during Samadhi.
Now belief is NOT there in this as most of it is pure simple logic.
Once the yoke is established (sayujya) by inference all the powers of creation are at ones disposal.
(Holographic universe, gagar mein sagar).
HUM ye sab jaan sakte hain, lekin janna aur samajhna isme antar hai.
Like writing code, and having a compiler.
We deal with code (emotions and thoughts and physical experiences). The yogi has the cosmic
compiler. Like in the movie matrix, he can then alter reality by actually compiling the 3d world's
modified code. (Sankalpa).
I always joke that the actual cosmic compiler is with the Guru. THAT is why no yogi can succeed
without a Guru! :)
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jayendra upadhye • Chitanjeevi: On this topic there is much to know. The 3 Gunas, the Pancha Tattvas.
The purush as the drashta, Prakriti as the energy driving the cosmos. These are not beliefs, we can

easily find and agree that any action has two components. The driver and the driven. The sayujya of the
two forms what we call "action". Going back along this chain to the root, we reach the concept of
Purush and Prakrit that is why it is called the Adim Dwandwa (Primal couple / original duality).
Shankara had to face it up and brought up vishishta advaita to explain how this duality is but an
illusion. Prakriti being just an aspect of the purusha.
I wonder if you shall agree to all the above. But this is what is there in the Vedanta.
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jayendra upadhye • @Zinnia:
You are right no offence felt here.
But may I know what has stirred you up so much?
I have not done any zabardastee with any one, nor insisted "only I am right".
I merely put forward some thruths conveyed by Vedanta and Sankhya.
As I found them scientrfic and logical.

Vivekananda did something etc, that is his problem and he must have had his reasons.
That does not mean that Vedanta is "tyaajya"!
Hum ek admi ki karni se ja nahi sakte. And I am sure Vivekananda would also not like that! It is YOU
who are using him to say what you want to say ..that hell with Vedanta.
Khul ke kahiye, why use poor Vivekananda foe that? :)

You are doing something that Zakir Naik does, and which has become fashionable.
Praise the vedas then curse hindus for idol worship, as it is not found in the Vedas.
Then tell them on the same breath while the iron is hot, to start eating animal flesh because Vedic
people ate meat a lot, and thus follow the true religion. Rather INSIST on it.
This is the thought process of someone who does not believe in change.
It is classic case of devil qioting bible.
by this logic, we should start INSISTING that people should follow and emulate The person who tried
sacrificing his child, and see if god intervenes!
Iam simply following Zakir's path! Be true to the religion, start attempting to sacrifice you kids to
appease god. Afterall Zakie is an authority even on the Vedas!

Then comes hypocrisy.

Iska ek fayda hai! You get to curse the hindus using hearfelt reformist zeal as a shield!
How delectably enjoyable. No one can curse you for it, it is delightful exercise!

I too am going to try it now.

Some people Criticise others on statue worship, and then look towards a certain object (quibla)
themself when it is prayer time. Is THAT any different from statue worship?
This fixation with an object is exacrly identical to statue worship.
Why criticise village Jahils when they worship a stone then?

Lekin in se logically bat karna fizool hai.

They think they are free to criticize, destroy (temples and statues, akshardham attack).
lekin unhe koi criticise kare to tauba!!
Marne Maarne pe utar ayenge!

Ye hypocrisy pe madam aap kuchh kahengi?
Any creative juices flowing on that one?
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................God is a ' concept ' and it is ........................

OMni P........., OMni P........,OMni .S......., X.... .Y .... ... etc

See a Snake swallowing a Toad ,

Oh ....., one god eating another god ........ one is dead and for the other it is just a day's- meal 's - side
dish !!

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jayendra upadhye • Kartikeyan, in one of your previous posts you said you did not about Dhruv.
But you knew about Prahlad.
Why?
I supposed most knew about both vaishnav favorites!
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karthikeyan arumugathandavan • Jayendra,

Expecting this question only , I said ' sincerely I do not know ' . The name is not registered with me at
all , ready to have some highlights on him .
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jayendra upadhye • Dhruv the son of UttaanPaad is quite senior of Prahlad the son of Hiranyaka-Shipu.

Both were great VishnuBhaktas.
Dhruv asked for and got a place that was Achyut (infallible). He got to be the Dhruva Tara and ruled
26,000 years.
Actually this is a take on the precession of the equinoxes, an astronomical phenomenon.
The axis of the earth describes a cone in the sky, as the earth wobbles slowly on its axis. Polaris ceases
to be the pole star once every 26000 years. The axis points to other stars and after 26,000 years again
points to Polaris. This is the great cycle of which Indians and Egyptians were aware. THAT also means
both these people have a history of astronomical observations going far back in time, before the
universal flood 11,500 years ago. This flood was caused by the sudden rapid melting of the ice caps as
the last ice age ended. (Indra killing Vritrasur who had locked up all water). It flooded the Bering straits
and cut off America from Asia.
Imagine! Not a single forest on earth is older than 11,500 years ago. Because then 90 % of the earth's
potable water was locked up in ice caps extending to the tropics! A mile thick! And all land was arid
and dry, between the two tropics.
It also submerged the "Ram ka pul" between Lanka and India. (That pul is actually geologically much
older, 17,00,000 years old).
Many places on the globe still have ancient Indian place names attached to them.
But more on that in a later post.
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jayendra upadhye • @Zinnia M;
You are putting words in my mouth.
I suggested nothing.
It is a fact that many many Hindus dont eat meat. Period.
If you go to these verisame people and tell them how their Vedic people ate meat, and therefore they
MUST eat meat, and how if they dont do as told they are wrong!
THAT is definitely a wrong thing to do.

I said some thing tough to syed, and he called me mannerless.

Aap Vedanta to tyajya bataa rahee thi to kya main aap ko mannerless bataa sakta hoon?
Nahi! The whole holier than thou brigade will pull me down and go one step nearer to sainthood at my
expense!

I really suspect now that you are in a habit of doing this. Put words in other people's mouths and start
quoting the bible next.

I knew caste, sati, staines, Bangalore everything would come up, you would scour everything you
could pin on hindus, and I had even predicted that. But as I said, NOT say a thing on the mentality that
caused so many deaths in Bomb blasts. NOT a word on the Akshardham attack, NOT a word on 26/11..

Oh! Its NOT fashionable to criticise muslims, poor fellows were just doing a bit of pious and righteous
Jihad isnt it?
THEY were misguided werent they, Why blame them?
AND secondly who knows they might take it to heart and pass a fatwa or two and you could come to
grief!
So criticise only Hindus who never retaliate, but rather pull each other down in their haste to show the
world how great they are, and so you can read sermons chapter and verse and throw in Vivekananda for
good measure.
Aur kam ban jayega. Wah wah. Im impressed!
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.......Now I have found the meaning of life :)

.. find out where ever there is dirt and keep cleaning , welcome sign for the ecology !!

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jayendra upadhye • Zinnijee if you dont know Zakir Naik, Ignotance is bliss! For apart from being a
memory sharp (like a crd sharp) he has nothing to contribute. He is I suspect under Wahabi influence.
Many in Pakistan and even India (Muslims themselves) dont agree with his rather strong approach. For
example he detests sufis. Hindostan se Sufu tradition nikalo to kya bachta hai on Islamic front? Ajmer,
Salim Chisti, Nizamuddin auliya in ke dargah aaj bhi mane jate hain. Lekin ye sahab hai ki isko achha
nahi mante!
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jayendra upadhye • Karthikeyan bhai sahab kam se kam hamen galiyan to mat do! :)
Itna kam bhi mat boliye ki meaning samajhna kathin ho jaye.
Wo kam Patanjali sahab kar gaye hain.
People have to write whole books just to explain his few lines!
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jayendra upadhye • Masternijee jara busy hoon, will get back agter some time.
Sure, and will wite in english too.
They say venom is needed to fight venom..right?
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venugopal maganti • Is this not getting a too un comfortable,with words like venom,crap,bull shit?
I think it is time to leave this group--I thought,people can exchange views here, not necessarily
convince and win over dissenters--or condemned to be burnt in brim stone,to quote one of the hyper
active participants--already,some one advised a tone down of the PH of the acidic comments,but there
seems to be no respite coming
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jayendra upadhye • Venugopal, the 3 words you mention are used by most people in everyday
language. Honestly tell me dont you use them to describe something untenable?
Do you seriously believe the purpose of this universe is to be examined by god and then go to heaven
for ever? And what does one do there? The questions asked are serious ones and demand serious
answers. Why so uncomfortable with strong debate?
Are we here to scratch each others backs and give off prizes for being nice? And for that matter, I have
NOT maligned anyone personally, but others have called me mannerless etc. But surely that you wont
notice. I have only criticised viewpoints, and this is a sort of interaction so one indeed has a right to try
and put forward things that are logical.
What is the problem.
How come I never have issues with Karthikeyan and others but only one or two people here?
Most of my arguments I try to rest on solid foundation. (Almost all)
Even the historical facts (some seem to not like that) are as solid as I can make them.
Nowhere have I claimed greatness or anysuch thing. All I do is cut wrong views down to size. And that
is about it.
Do think along those lines.
If someone were to logically come up with something I appreciate them, I always appreciate
Kartikeyam's coolness, Arif's 'tp the point' thinking..uf you care to read other threads you will find that
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jayendra upadhye • @chiranjeevi:
Can you expand your last qiestion?
"Does anyone or anything else knows about existence other than us?"
Because if you mean on earth, all other rest of the animals do know about existence.
The primates are quite "conscious", and crows have been known to keep track of "how many people
went into a room and how many came out!".
On the universal scale we have the aliens! In a galaxy of 100 billion stars how can we say we are the
only people around?
I asked because I wondered if you meant anything else?
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venugopal maganti • I am myself an agnostic,but veering more towards theistic side,simply
because,there is no other alternative to co habit for human beings--it is the culture,traditions,based on
what has been passed on to us by our predecessors,and is based essentially on belief system--now if
some body turns in to a religious terrorist,blame the extremist views--in any case if we cannot tolerate
an alternate view point,can not get along with others with their own weaknesses,and want to forcefully
change other's views,I think this is the very anti thesis of a management philosophy--I would look at
how to live a purposeful life,rather than worrying about an INVISIBLE GOD,and break my head on his
existence--after all, human society is not produced by a single mould,and it's characteristics,both
physical and mental vary --no 2 humanbeings are alike--we can only exterminate,what is bad for the
society,not what some intellectuals do not like--the spat between you and Kartikeyan is not in good
taste,and a mediatory effort by madam Zinnia also turned some what vitriolic--we are not trying to win
a debate,nor can we bring about a revolutionary change like MAO or LENIN,who must be licking their
wounds,in hell,if it exists--for,they forced a change in their countries,extirpating all dissenters,but you
know what had happend--I believe a more relavant discussion would be does economic prosperity exist
?or is it an illusion,which keeps appearing once in a while?can such prosperity be perpetuated?you do
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karthikeyan arumugathandavan • -.

Venugopal

" -the spat between you and Kartikeyan is not in good taste,and a mediatory effort by madam Zinnia
also turned some what vitriolic "

I will repeat the comment for your sake :)

"" .......Now I have found the meaning of life :)

.. find out where ever there is dirt and keep cleaning , welcome sign for the ecology !! ""

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Gloria OMarrah • I haven't met any thats smart enough to answere that question, just I think answeres.I
would suggest drwing an invisable box and cocentrate on whats going on in that area before asking
such big questions. Why do you need to know that answere? People that are depressed usually ask
simulair questions. They don't want to think about themself or solutions so they keep asking why. They
want someone tell tell them why.I know for sure its helping grow the grass behind you thats feeding
that cow so you can have milk on your cheerios.
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KP SaiRaj • we do not know even 1% of entire universe. Only 5% is matter, 95% is dark matter and
dark energy filled in this universe. So no one can answer your question with any near perfection. But
we know at least one thing that we are all part of universe. Just help each other and forget about
purpose of life.
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There could be lot of purposes for life and the Universe , because they are existing ......
oh ..... well ......purposeless existence of everything ....... another definite possibility which cannot be
ruled out ...... one thing for sure is that ... we need to survive ,

A GUIDE TO SURVIVAL IN THE 21st CENTURY

Man’s consciousness is as powerful as a microscope. It can grasp and analyse experience in a way no
other animal can achieve. But microscopic vision is narrow vision. We need to develop another kind of
consciousness that is the equivalent of the telescope..................... --- Colin Wilson

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Ideals are primarily visual. Dreams, for example, are full of subconscious ideals. Small wonder ideals
work so well in visual media like geometry and the alphabet. Whether scientific, social or spiritual,
they’ve been driving our historical record from the start, often for the better. But as projections of
reality, they have one drawback. Time and again it’s been shown that ideals, like their intentions, are
only good for 99% fulfillment. And so in their abundance they clutter the field of reason. Many a

wildflower has sprouted from the garden of rhetoric. The Existentialists, sick of it all, declared a
vacuum.

And they are right, for now that the artificial environment we have extended has its own timeless
current, we become like the jellyfish, which has no mind of its own, just a direct line to the outside
world. Yet to deny it consciousness is misleading, for it reproduces, and it’s evolved. We got the first
part. Now’s our chance to make good on the second, now that with our circuits reintegrating we behold
the very organism of the global village.

http://www.terminalhex.com/essay.htm

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jayendra upadhye • @Gloria: "Depression".. You have used a word in a completely new context from
Indian point of view. But it was refreshing to connect with western context.
In hindu terminology, this state of mind is something similar but not exacrlt identical with the state
described by "Vairagya" and a related word "Audasinya / Udasinata" meaning "apathy". Great saints in
India were led vis this path to self realization.
refer:- http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?tinput=apathy&script=&direction=ES&link=y

There is also another aspect that breeds such thoights about "where/why/whither" and that is excerss of
comfort and riches. Siddhartha's metamorphosis into the Buddha shows this.

Again in Indian tradition, one need not be depressed to reach these Qs, one may be plain curious!
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jayendra upadhye • @Sairaj...Has 'Kali" or any of the 10 (some black some white) mahavidyas to do
something with this dark energy?
Just wondering,.. and ofcourse ready for any tongue lashing that comes my way for coming up with
spurious stuff! :)

Karthikeyan which avatar of mine had a spat with you of all people?
I have already started to check if any imposter has used my name to take you on! :)
will let you know asap.
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Soap & Surf are costly too, these days...... do not bother about cleaning , Relax :)
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jayendra upadhye • Karthikeyan: You literally sent me to the cleaners! :) Soap and all!
Chalo I am now hunkyDory white. :)
But ek vinantee hai! (one request)
Raham karo aur Laconic terseness chhodo.
There is genuine danger of mis-interpretation.
(Akin to the famous "Naro va-Kunjaro va").
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I will keep it mind to adhere to it ......... but for the fact ............

calling Yudhisthira , the lier as one who upholds Dharma .......... :)
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jayendra upadhye • Yes..my fear precisely..you may be telling a truth to someone but in your short
style, and the pooe guy would interpret it as a lie along the narova Kunjarova lines! :)
Too much brevity can be dangerous.
But again let me not dwell too much on that.
By the way what is your take in Gloria's refreshing coincidental view of Vairagya?
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One should have ' vairagya' in life for it to be meaningful and there will not time for anyone to ask as
told earlier ' what is life ' .... - that apart, it does not mean negating our desires or reducing consumption
or avoiding luxurious lifestyle ... etc .

.........somehow each one fixes some attitudes and targets to achieve in their lifetime and it could be
triggered and concreted any time in life . After that what/ how best are their efforts and direction to
achieve the same against all environmental / societal hurdles sets them far up in the ' vairagya ' scale .

I think anyone who is sure, he does have ' Vairagya ' can explain it still better

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Akshaya Bhatia • Purpose of life, it seems, is to experience, explore, toil, struggle and interact through
our senses within the self as well as with the ultimate perceptible creativity called Universe and be a
part of it till our life span.!!...
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jayendra upadhye • You see Gloria I presume (I may be wrong) represents western view. She may never
have heard this concept. But she did imagine one had to have some kind of apathy in order to ask these
questions. From her perspective she thought of it as depression.
The Indians will call it audasinya which is first step of Vairagya.
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I only know ' Adu Pompe ' , ............ what is that ' Audasinya ' ! ?
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jayendra upadhye • Are!
Udas = apathetic (adjective)
Udasin = apathetic (adjective)
Audasinya = apathy (Noun)
Udasinta = apathy (Noun)
This was all in that web link I gave Gloria.
http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?tinput=apathy&script=&direction=ES&link=y
Nice dictionary that one.
Audasinya removes apeksha (expectation) and improves "sama drishtee" tendency to look on all
favorable / unfavorable circumstances with equanimity. Which later on leads to Vairagya.
Buddhists (Tantra sadhana) to my knowledge used Vipashyana to observe bodies decay in smashana to

fix oneself in the Anityata of the body.
Buddhists use the word Aniccha which is Pali apabhraunsha of Anitya. Currently the fashionable
Vipassana (Pali word) is much more sukhad than the one I described.
Do Correct me If I am wrong, cause I read about these Buddhist practices long ago..
But what is Adu Pompe ?
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jayendra upadhye • Karthikeyan what words you use for apathetic in Tamil / Malayalam / Telugu?
I dont know which you follow.
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' அக்கறைறையின்மைமை ' - not much bothered about the events around

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jayendra upadhye • Baba...you should have written that in english as I write hindi in english! :)
Ler me see what online translarion I get.."indifference, negligence, carelessness."
So you are Tamil.
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...put it in google translate ..... and listen to Aaudio :)
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' அலட்சியமை் ' ..... this also looks more nearer to carelessness about one's goals,

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jayendra upadhye • My goodness! It has no phonetic similarity at all.
You mean you never really came across the sanskrit audasinya?
I was of the impression Tamil has more sanskrit words than Marathi.
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jayendra upadhye • Hmm. Possible, anyway all expertise is always a question of degree!
Your hint on google translate was a good one.
You seem to be a samyamee like me! (Joke intended)
For the geeta says "Ya nisha sarva bhutanam, Tasyam Jagarti samyami"!
When the world sleeps, the samyami (Yogi) wakes! :)
May be we are "discussion / web yogis!
Chalo I am retiring. Enough web yoga for today.
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Sreenivasa Madenahally • Very interesting thread.

Ujwal, I totally agree with you, human beings are most dangerous virus consuming resources at
alarming rate and replicating at alarming rate.

However, whatever Discovery, National Geographic or BBC tell is not the ultimate truth, perhaps not
even a tiny bit of the big truth. Many a times these "science/truth" channels exagerate things several
fold. I watched a program in BBC sometime last year - conclusion was that no one knows how life
started on earth, perhaps it came from somewhere else! How did it start there? Millions of brains are
trying to understand what is there in human body, how it works but still picture is not clear. Off course,
with limited understanding we are able to "fix" few things! If millions of focussed brains struggle to
understand what is there and how it works, think of the intelligence who thought about and
experimented and created it. Such an intelligent thing called life which complements the surrounding,
self improving, self replicating can't be accident or some collision/explosion/implosion. What Darwin,
Einstein or Stephen Hawking found are truth but few drops in the ocean of truth. My gut feel is that,
before we find/realize that ocean of truth, we will be extinct. Darwin didn't explain how life originated,
he just explained how they evolved/collapsed with changing climate/time. Till now there are no proper
explanations on how different species came-up or life started.

Till few hundred years back, atom (a-tom = in-divisible) was considered as the smallest particle of
matter. Later we found/theorized sub-atomic particles - protons, neutrons and electrons. We are now
thinking of some more - bosons/god particles. Yesterday's news paper reported that there is some
"matter" in vacuum!

According to science today, nuclear fission is the source of energy in stars. But how did atoms have
such immense eneregy in them (1 gram of hydrogen can generate energy equivalent to 300 million tons
of coal!)? What started big bang explosion/implosion (if they were ever happened)? If mass and energy
are interchangeable, how did they come to existence? How did cells/atoms come to existence? How did
cells acquired "self" feeling/boundaries? What explains the origin of feelings, thoughts, care, love,
belongingness, jealousy/hatred/possession? In curiosity of understanding these and greed of using our
limited knowledge for our "comfort and convenience" we will trigger something that will wipe-us out
and starts new system.

Am I thoroughly confused? You bet, but I am pretty sure, life/universe were not mere accident, there is
a grand design/order controlled by bigger intelligence!
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Gloria OMarrah • KP, good thought, maybe by helping each other, we find our purpose. The end
always follows the beginning.
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Gloria OMarrah • I don't know know about you guys, but I'm getting more confused with each
sentence. Spelling bees and anger I think. It's hard to feel words. I can't tell if everyone is fighting or

talking. I took a class in shiatsu. I always was reading a western medical book. One book said earth,
wind,water and fire. The other said stomach,lungs,liver and heart. The symtoms were the same, the
cures were the same, the words were all differant. But yet everything was the same. Were never going
to use 100% of our brains untill we can reach a state of total happiness and be filled with love. Thats
when they say we can answere all those questions.
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jayendra upadhye • @Sreenivasa Madenahally:
A slight correction. (No offense intended) It is Fusion not fission that drives the stars.
But Sreenivasa Madenahally dont you think by the time we know answers to all those 'q's, we ourselves
will be gods? :)
On allexperts.com one person had asked a similar question. "What was before the bang?" I had told
him the same thing. Not all questions are answerable. We mught only guess / surmise. What happens
after death? (to us). What causes gravity (if spacetime curvature, why does mass warp space? Why time
only flows in one direction?
All unanswerable questions. Why not leave them thus? In the fitness of things, we may some day know
or perhaps we might not.
Asimov has a wonderful take on that. But I have quoted that so many times, I will let that pass now. :)
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Gloria OMarrah • Jayendra, Depression here is considered a diesease. You thought is correct as far as
what happens to depressed people. They get so bad, reach bottom, and finally get their feet on the floor,
instead of just floating throw the air, and can see reality. The problem is, they seem to keep repeating
the process over and over. Up and down and up and down. Got any words for that. Maybe they arn't
there long enough to see the light.
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jayendra upadhye • @Gloria:
Nice take on the lighter side.
But no, Audasinya and Vairagya (degrees of Apathy) as applied to saints in India are not externally
enforced constructs. Once internalized, the person is NOT UNDER STRESS when in that state. He by
nature loses interest in all dependent dualities such as "rich/poor" (the most obvious), even
"clean/dirty" which you as a westerner will NOT digest easily.
Regarding clean/dirty, comfort/discomfort there are many interesting tales about the Sai of Shirdi and
Gajanan of Shegaon (both in Maharashtra).

Try and check them out on the web.
From the western perspective, Jesus, who really was from the sect of the Essenees, and who was thus
used to the performance of austerities, bore the event on the cross and lived, thanks to his internalized
natural un-enforced detachment from comfort/discomfort duality.
For such people the ultimate duality to overcome is life/death.
And there have been cases where the dead have been brought back.
Lazarus by Jesus, and Sacchidananandbaba by Dnyaneshwar.
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Now it is absolutely clear, the grand purpose of life and the universe !!

....every atom is depressed with compressed energy stored inside , waiting to explode

... like electron , it can prefer to run around a nucleus .... OOh that what the moon does and ...earth .....
stars do ................anything & everybody dances

..if one is shy of dancing alone , dance as a group or team ........

. if one is depressed to dance, give it a shock it will start running around ....

.. if one is having extra compressed energy , it is going to burst .......

What kind of a design is this .....................

Now it cannot be absolutely clear, the grand purpose of life and the universe !!

Discover IT :)
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jayendra upadhye • Karthikeyan, you have certain properties of Narada!
He made light of most things!
And often left his subjects in doubt about what he really said!!
But I have to say this, you have broken long tradirion and NOT posted a link!
The lord be praised..
Now dont complain I used roo many exclamations. :) ;)
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O Narada ma Muni ..... na ma ha !

...........in fact he is so powerful that he manifests in so many people's heart ?!

___________________

The Joker effect: cooperation driven by destructive agents

Abstract

Understanding the emergence of cooperation is a central issue in evolutionary game theory. The hardest
setup for the attainment of cooperation in a population of individuals is the Public Goods game in
which cooperative agents generate a common good at their own expenses, while defectors “free-ride”
this good. Eventually this causes the exhaustion of the good, a situation which is bad for everybody.
Previous results have shown that introducing reputation, allowing for volunteer participation, punishing
defectors, rewarding cooperators or structuring agents, can enhance cooperation. Here we present a
model which shows how the introduction of rare, malicious agents—that we term jokers—performing
just destructive actions on the other agents induce bursts of cooperation

* The appearance of jokers promotes a rock-paper-scissors dynamics, where jokers outbeat defectors
and cooperators outperform jokers, which are subsequently invaded by defectors.

* paradoxically, the existence of destructive agents acting indiscriminately promotes cooperation.

http://deim.urv.cat/~aarenas/publicacions/pdf/joker.pdf

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Gloria OMarrah • Jayendra, I see the big differance. The depressed person has the feeling of being a
failure, unloved, unworthy and feels sorry for themself. That would be a totally differant character.They
would be dirty.
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jayendra upadhye • Gloria, nice you see the difference. People advanced along the track of finding the
answers to these questions, finally reach the stage where one more duality is to be breached. That of
self/other. Once this is breached, the ego ceases to be an impediment for them. And they connect with
the higher reality (whatever that may be).

I am not certainly qualified to say anything on that! :)
But Patanjali in his yoga sutras calls that "connecting" samadhi.
I am still at loggerheads with his most basic "yogah Chitta Vritti Nirodhaha".
Because to me Nirodha implies suppression.
"yogah Chitta Vritti Nirodhaha".
Meaning Yoga is the control of Chitta and Vritti. (mind and ones nature) loosely translated.
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Sanjay Saxena • The purpose of life is to live life. Experience it . Feel it. Sense it. Perceive it. Enjoy it.
Celebrate it. Fight for it. Read it. Listen to it. Discover it. Think/Mull over it.
Universe exists to give us the infrastructure to do the above.
It doesn’t matter whether anyone else knows about our existence as long as we continue to live Life.
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jayendra upadhye • Sanjayjee..and here I was wasting my time on "Yogashchittavrittinirodhaha".
Ill have a soda on that one!
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........doine^ ........ doine^ .............. doine^

.......... * ...................* .......................* ........ narada's deva ganam

Positive Cynicism

How to keep your cynic’s integrity without making yourself miserable.

the rare opportunity to live in harmony with your values
freedom from self-deception
immunity against faddish "groupthink"
development of an independent, contrarian mind and spirit
realistic expectations from a less-than-perfect world
self-protection against disappointment (we already know what to expect, don’t we?)
the joy of using irreverent humor to retaliate against our oppressors

more here...

http://www.i-cynic.com/positive.asp

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jayendra upadhye • Karthikeyan..who asked you to give out my ultra secret behaviour recipe so easily?
You ARE Narada in disguise, I am convinced now.
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........doine^ ........ doine^ .............. doine^

.......... * ...................* .......................* ........ narada's deva ganam

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...................It is not only a multipolar world it is a Universe of multiple Universes . I think that is what
is mythological / metaphysical / religious studies of this sub-continent point to ...........

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The Pluralistic Universe ---- by Nathan Schneider

Science has a handle on the age of the universe. Now “multiverse” theorists are asking a vexing
question: Which one? One universe is baffling enough.

What little we know is that it’s composed of tiny blips of light in a cloud of black holes, dark matter,
and dark energy, which are in turn describable only through the tunnel vision of quantum

indeterminacy and chronic uncertainty. Not to mention the matter of where everything came from and
what it ultimately means. But even this may not be all. As scientists work to understand the cosmos we
inhabit, some have come to suspect it might be only one among many.
..........................................................................................................................

Without the benefit of empirical data, guided by imagination and a body of carefully wrought
mathematics, thinking about a multiverse inevitably challenges scientists, theologians, and laypeople to
ask what far-fetched possibilities they are willing to entertain. Which can you stand, at least long
enough to work out its implications: that you are a program on some alien’s computer, the creature of
an intelligent designer beyond space and time, or a quitter in the search for a theory of everything? Or
that, perhaps, you’ll never know?

http://www.therowboat.com/articles/PluralisticUniverse.pdf

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Chiranjeevi Tallapragada • Thanks @Ujwal calling this childish because I don't want to lose that child
like awe and wonder about life. You have also shared your thoughts and
suggested watching episodes of history channel. Again I would like to thank
you for that. As at an individual level even at the scientific level every
probe, every discovery has only led to more questions. I guess the day one
feels all the puzzles solved is only when one is resting in peace.
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Gloria OMarrah • Jayendra, Iwasgoingtolookthatupongooglebutiknewiwouln'tfindananswere
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jayendra upadhye • Gloria...what's that!
"Iwasgoingtolookthatupongooglebutiknewiwouln'tfindananswere"
You are attempting to sanskritise English?
Yogah Chitta Vritti Nirodhaha when combined in Sanskrit becomes
"YogashChittaNivruttiNirodhaha".
The "sh" gets inserted after yoga and the h disappears.
But what answers were tou searching and did not find?

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Chiranjeevi Tallapragada • @Gloria thanks for bringing up some of the origins for such questions and
the futility of thinking in that direction. Let me share the reason for my
asking these questions. As you said one can go on living without thinking
of any purpose or following someone who seems to have understood the
purpose. I too do it but occasionally even simple events like washing off
of ants out of a food item could make one think and connect to the state
they must be in. It reminds me of the millions of people who die in natural
disasters or even accidents. Should one feel sad or take it as part of the
routine cleaning up of someone like us? We go around our business like
those other ants which come back to the same spot looking for food. Is that
the purpose of life? One doesn't stop living one's life but these thoughts
create some sense called
'vyragya' (detachment) that might reduce some of the greed and need for
accumulation, which is on the rise.
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Ujwal Jha • @ Jayendra Jee.... What is your purpose?? You are a logical person and you should see that
many of the members do not have consistency in their post. I read most of your posts and giving you an
idea. Do not waste your time here. People like you can be a lot more constructive than giving free
education.
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One should have ' vairagya' in life for it to be meaningful and there will not time for anyone to ask as
told earlier ' what is life ' .... - that apart, it does not mean negating our desires or reducing consumption
or avoiding luxurious lifestyle ... etc .

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jayendra upadhye • And here is Naradjee hinting detachment so I should head for the himalayas! :)
Ujwal, you may have noticed I can be quite scathing with people who just open their mouths and throw
out pompous hot air.
Like I was told on another thread here, by an educated person that Hindu scriptures sanctioned
sacrifices so that viruses could then stick to the blood and air would be pure!
People go on and on about "our vedas, our shastras" without an iota of an idea what the damned things
actually say, and neither bothering to read the originals.

And then they get all het up when I cut their views to size.

But tell the truth we must.
Even if one from them were to get the hint and start reading the stuff, my day will be made.

Kam se kam sahi cheez to jano...that is what I say.

People become CEOS and what not and the first thing we know they start babbling home truths like
that blood attracting Viruses stuff.

One guy told me. on another thread...the mind works completely independent of the brain. I wondered
if he meant it resided in cyverspace or the 4th dimension! :)
Trivial statements all. How can the mind that needs to think, and thought itself needing memory be
independent of the brain?
But majority has to win kya karein baba!!
So one tries. That is the only thing in ones control. And one is regaled by "great posts"!
Aap bhi yahi kariye is my advice.
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Ujwal Jha • As long as you live in your home country at home with your family and friends around
you. It would be very difficult to conceive life without GOD. God and religions were created by Kings,
advocated by Pundits / monks to keep the citizen in order.
The era of kingdom is long gone but there are several social beliefs that exists through out planet earth
and has a very strong social hold. Evolution works and religion is losing its grip on society.

Those religions will be destroyed soon if they do not change their orthodox acts. It will not be allowed
to kill in the name of religion. People are developing more and more logical ideas and that is the
process by which society will be completely religion free.

Finally as I said it earlier.... We Humans are the most dangerous virus on planet earth. Our main job is
to grow rapidly and explore more. I am very confident that earth is not the only inhabitable planet in
the universe. It might take time but we will certainly be able to reach several galaxies and grow more
rapidly. That is the purpose. Help other humans and develop our self.

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jayendra upadhye • Ujwal..you have overlooked the limitation on resources.
There is a very powerful study of what happens in unbridled growth.
The polynesian Easter Islands were a mystery for many decades. The Isles had strange statues on them
but no people. The last easter islander who could use their language died on another island many years
ago.
Archeologists painfully reconstructed what had happened.
It was a disaster of huge proportions.
The islanders had cultivation and lived on fishing and farm produce.
But soon their population grew so much that those resources (island afterall) were insufficient.
Cannibalism set in and in the end there was no one left.
(That happened in Stalingrad too during the 2 year siege).
If we are a virus, we have to stop ourselves from self destruction.
Afterall a virus colony lives only as long as the victim!
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................just observe how people are living in Kasi, Madura and Kanchi

...Cities alive with buzzing human beings alive for more than 3000 years . Almost you can compare it
with an ANT Colony ... people ... people .... every where .. there is no empty space or nothingness for
nothing .

where is life hidden inside Virus

Life is living , live let live ......Life is living , live let live..........Life is living , live let live

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venugopal maganti • In the Rig Veda, the poet wonders what existed before everything else. And after
much pondering he concludes, the first to exist, even before breath, is desire - kama. Without kama,
there would no movement from formlessness (asat) to form (sat), from darkness (tamas) to light (jyoti),
from hopelessness (mrityu) to hope (amrita).
This is what tamasoma --song means--whose desire is it remains an un answered question--I repeat it
can be any one--who knows ,even one of the passionate debators even

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Sanjay Saxena • The purpose of life is very simple which is made unnecessarily complicated by some
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jayendra upadhye • The rigVeda is clear. on the Hiranyagarbha and Nasadiya sukta. ("Na sat asit na
asat" becomes Nasadasit...and hence Nasadiya sukta and "HiranyagarbhaSamVartate" so
Hiranyagarbha sukta).
That primeval undifferentiated "It" had the first Vikar as Ahankar. Kam needs Ahankar.
That "IT" once infested with Ahankara, thought "Ekoham Bahusyam"
"I am one let me be many", and this was Kama! The desire to multiply.
And THAT as you said rightly started the world as per that veda.
Though I cannot place where this sentence occurs "EkohamBahusyam"..
Nay be you can throw some light on that.
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...... vedam ne iniya ganam ne ........ sadur vedam ne

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Ujwal Jha • Guys can we talk a little bit different things? Did I see it properly that the name of this is
"India Leadership Network"??? I cant believe it. I tried for a while and I think its really too much.
Why the hell all of us are searching answers in a Religion? I am sorry but I feel its not a business
group. There are many countries in the world and I really do not know such country where people seek
answers only in religion.
May be you guys should go to a temple and preach rather doing some business.

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Buddhi Singh • The purpose of life on the earth is to know about self through intution and discovery of
the almighty . The universe is the creation of nature and is the extended form of human body.The
universe and human body are synonimous.Even though, we all are unaware about the existense of all
this.To know should be our ultimate motto but we are in sleeping mode and by making walls of
sorrows and agonies we are expecting for ultimate happiness in the universe.
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That is a good one .

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jayendra upadhye • Ujwal, no. This particular question demands a philosophical answer.
So we are giving out such answers.
On other topics I have raised, you wont find religion at all.
For example my thread about all Indians wanting to be managers.
Some references to caste may have come there as it affects the indians worldview and behaviour in
general.
It is like joining a south african blog and expecting nothing racial there.
Why south africa! Right here on linked in you can find it being practiced subtly.
I joined the hp Tandem Nonstop blog here.
I posted a lot and suddenly I was locked out. Upon inquiring with Linked in I got the interesting reply
"Talk to the group owner"!
I did so. And what dd that snooty Scandinavian lady say?
You are posting too much technical stuff! Its clogging our mail boxes, please go elsewhere! Can you
believe it,
She looked upon me as a pest!
And all this after many of the Americans there had actually interacted favorably and heavily with me.
Some of them took up the issue with her but she did not budge!
Racism is alive and kicking on this very Linkedin forum! But it is cloaked unde "Babugiri" like "talk to
the owner"!
If I had been a scandinavian I would have been greeted with great Bonhommie I am sure of that. No
ones mail boxed would be clogged then. :)
And then these people come and lecture us on how to improve India and pull the chinese down over
child labor. These same people used extensive child labor in their own countries 50 to 100 years ago.
Now sau choohe kha ke billi jah pe nikli hai. :)

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Floyd Vaz MBC • If any of you want a Christian perspective, please watch this with an unbiased mind.
Some amazing photography.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewKtSKbWZUIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=LlroUGiihx8&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpCR-
mvzCNs&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=7cxEThPNtlQ&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIoBCgRC7Uo&feature=related
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jayendra upadhye • The god referred to therin is muslim/hindu/christian?
Does he favor one over the other?
(For the Buddhists and Jains dont believe in God as such but believe humans can strive to something
akin to godhood).

Is he male or female? If male does he need a mate?
Does he wear clothes as humans do?
Where does he stay and what does he eat and sleep?
How does he pass his time?

By what mechanism does creation happen? When did it happen?
Archbishop Ussher's date of 4004 BC is ok?

In the Christian perspective what happens after armageddon?
Does the universe cease to be?

I ask because The questions asked here are more far reaching than that.
Surely the purpose of things is not so limited as just please a god and go to heaven?
Does Christianity say anything on the deeper mysteries?
Whence / whither / why?
(Im afraid most religions are mum on that).
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Nimu Shenoy, MBA • I am a bit perplexed as to why Ujwal made his comment about discussing

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