Druze leader claims syria crisis could cause israel to expel its arabs

1. At a time of growing sectarian confrontation in Lebanon, which in the 1980s witnessed some of
the worst civil strife in modern history,
The war in Syria directly affects Lebanon. The two countries have a long-standing relationship,
throughout which Syria has been eager to exercise control over Lebanon. In particular, the Syrian
Baath regime sees Lebanon as a small city of its own nation, and the internal conflicts in Tripoli are
linked to the developments in Syria.
Druze leader Walid Jumblatt, head of Lebanon’s Progressive Socialist Party (PSP), is seen as key in
the delicate political balance between the two nations; his actions in relation to the subject have
triggered serious discussion.
He believes that Lebanon is in a state of despair, and that the ongoing Syrian crisis will lead to the
emergence of new political entities in the region. But he dismisses any possibility that the tiny country
could be divided. Detailing Druze support for the uprising against the 12-year rule of Syria’s President
Bashar al-Assad, he says Druze members of the Syrian regime are slowly abandoning the sinking
ship.
On Israel, he claims, it will receive the greatest benefit from the crisis. He believes the violence in
Syria could be a golden opportunity for Israel to expel Palestinians from Gaza to Jordan, clearing
Israel of Arabs while strengthening the foothold of Palestinians in Jordan.
We spoke with Jumblatt at his house in the Mukhtara region of the Druze Mountains. Jumblatt makes
occasional statements through the March 18 Movement, which supports the opposition groups.
Based on the clashes in Tripoli, we could say that Lebanon is moving back towards the old
days. Why is that?
The Syrian regime has its partners in the north of Lebanon. One of them is Ali Eid, leader of the
Alawites. He has Sunni and Shiite partners as well. The people, on the other hand, extend support to
the resistance and uprising in Syria. Some people and parties want to make the north of Lebanon
involved in the ongoing controversy. We have to be alert to make sure that we do not give them this
pretext. By the clashes in the north of Lebanon, we would justify an intervention by the [Bashar al]
Assad regime in the domestic affairs of Lebanon on the grounds of protecting his Alawite supporters
— it is wise to refer to “some” of the Alawites, because the majority of the Alawites do not support him.
Lebanon has to be careful about this.
Do you think the Assad regime will successfully protect its supporters?
The regime interferes with internal affairs, arguing that its supporters in Lebanon are in great danger.
Everybody is now aware how insane Assad is. We all see what he has done in Aleppo, Hama and
other parts of Syria. There are 1.5 million homeless people in the country. The neighboring countries
host 500,000 Syrian refugees. Why should we give him a reason for intervention in the domestic
affairs of Lebanon?
Hezbollah says it is backing the Assad regime. Does this lead to any problems in your relations
with them?

2. We are not political partners; we are in the same government. This was a necessary coalition due to
the conditions in 2011. Back then, there was no uprising in Syria. This is the subject matter that we
cannot agree on with Hezbollah. They support the Assad regime, but we are opposed to it. That we
are in the same government does not necessarily mean that we have political agreement. We were
forced to make a coalition government to address potential internal problems in Lebanon.
Some claim that the West aims at dividing Lebanon into cantons. Do you think that this is
possible?
Lebanon will not be divided; it is not like Bosnia or other similar countries. It is a tiny country. Religions
and sects live together in this country. Some right-wing groups sought to divide Lebanon in 1975 and
1976, but they failed. The war lasted 17 years, but in the end there was no partition.
What will happen to the Druze in Syria?
Things were bad for them at the beginning, but it is better now. The Druze support the popular uprising
in Syria. Nearly 10 high-level military officers have left the army so far — I cannot give any names due
to security concerns. The Druze are also active in Jordan, Paris and the Syrian National Council
[SNC]. Of course, more should be done, but we are trying to do our best. Recently, a predominantly
Druze city near Damascus was bombed. This is tough, but the future of the Druze in Syria will be
shared with the Muslims and Arabs. There are 400,000 Druze in Syria and 170,000 in Lebanon. We
are a minority; there are 23 million people in Syria.
Do you support the Druze rebels in Syria?
I do not see the developments from a sectarian perspective. We are in dialogue with all parties that
are opposed to the Assad regime. We supported the military officers in their decisions to leave the
army. Some of them are now in Turkey and some others will travel there.
Some reports claim that partition of Syria was discussed in a summit in Shanghai chaired by
Russia, which the US also attended. Can you confirm this?
It is true. Under the Sykes-Picot agreement of 1916, France wanted to partition Syria to create an
Alawite state in İskenderun, a Damascus state, a Druze state and an Aleppo state. The Druze people
opposed this project and they prevented partition of the country. Now we are in 2012 and it is like we
are back in 1916. The same scenario is being repeated; it is like they have taken us back 100 years.
Today, Russia is playing increasingly big role in the region amid escalating tensions in the
region. What’s your take on that?
Russia is trying to recapture the glory of the Russia of the tsar era. Russia, the US and Israel are
making plans for the partition of Syria, and maybe Turkey is included in this dangerous game. In
addition to Russia, Iran is also a rising power in the region. It tries to protect the Assad regime, but
once it realizes Assad will be gone it will be part of the partition of Syria. Iran is supplying material aid
and arms to the Assad regime. It appears that Iran is in favor of the creation of an Alawite state. And
there is also an oil pipeline project between Basra and Tartus. In addition, there are arms deals
between Russia, Iran and [Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al] Maliki. All these plans and games are against
the Syrian people.
How to you assess a possible Russia, Iran, Syria and maybe China axis?
True. This is happening because of the power vacuum after the American withdrawal from the region.
The US has withdrawn from Afghanistan and Iraq. For this reason, Russia and Iran are trying to fill the
void.
Some argue that Russia and China will replace traditional major powers in the upcoming
decade. Do you agree with this prediction?
I do not want to think this big. What I know is what is happening right now. Getting back to history, the
Ottoman state made a lot of war with Iran. Back then, the Turks were in Basra. Today, the Persian
Empire [Iran] is on the shores of Lebanon and within Lebanon; it is also in Syria. This is the difference
today.
It appears that the incidents in Syria will have reflections and repercussions in Lebanon as
well.
We are making efforts to ensure that the developments do not affect Lebanon. We tell all the parties
that we are all against the Syrian regime and Assad, but that the fall of Assad cannot be performed in
Tripoli. We should not give him reason to interfere with the domestic affairs of our country.
But how will you prevent this?

3. Who will fight against whom? Hezbollah is the greatest military power in Lebanon. Nobody could fight
against it. We wish for this power to be acquired by the state someday. Lebanon is in a state of
despair on this matter right now.
What kind of map could be made of this region?
Due to the Russian and Iranian policies, as well as failure to supply heavy weaponry to the rebels, the
unity of Syria is in danger. We are against direct intervention of the West in Syria, but we want arms
supplied to the rebels. Sadly, no step has been taken on this matter. Meetings of the Friends of Syria
have been held in Tunisia, Istanbul and Paris, but none of them was successful. It is like the West is
doing nothing in regards to the ongoing massacre in Syria. They criticize Turkey, arguing that it is not
taking action to intervene. Turkey will not be able to do so unless a decision is taken in the West. So
far, the decision of the US has been in favor of reluctance and indifference.
Why do you think the US has not been active on the Syrian issue, considering that it tends to
be active in every other matter?
There is only one reason: to make sure that subsequent developments do not pose any danger vis-à-
vis Israel. The only concern is to protect Israel and its security. I am not sure of the Iranian policy on
this matter; there are some question marks. But Putin paid a visit to Israel. The second most influential
Jewish lobby is in Moscow. Putin must have assured Israel that the recent developments in the region
would not affect its interests.
Will a greater Israeli state emerge out of this turmoil?
It seems remote for now. The only concern of the world now is to protect Israel from chemical attacks
and missiles. For this reason, there are CIA officers in Jordan and special teams of Russia in Tartous.
But this will inevitably happen. Israel may tell its Arab citizens to go to their other homeland, namely
Jordan.
So you are saying that a Palestinian state will be established in place of Jordan?
We are not in a position to make a decision on this matter. Today, there is an extreme right party in
power in Israel. And the attempts to create two separate states have so far failed. For this reason, we
should not ignore the potential insane acts of the Israeli extremists. They may want to send the
Palestinians to Jordan. The population of the Palestinians has been on the rise and this is creating a
lot of pressure among the Jews in Israel. For this reason, they may try this move.
A huge number of Palestinian refugees migrated from Syria to Jordan, and 60 percent of the
Jordanian population is of Palestinian origin. Does this not automatically ‘Palestinize’ Jordan?
You are right. But it is necessary that all this happens now. Israel may take lessons from what
happens in Syria. What is happening in Syria now? 1.5 million people are homeless in Syria and
500,000 Syrians are refugees. Israel may learn lessons from this and send the Palestinians in Gaza to
Jordan. This is consistent with the old and new projects of Israel anyway. And that project is creation
of a non-Arab Israeli state.
How do you see the power struggle between Turkey and Iran?
Turkey needs to be careful about this. The foreign policy of Russia and Iran poses danger for Syria
and Turkey. The greatest issue in Turkey is the Kurdish problem. This problem should be addressed
within the unity of Turkey. Otherwise, it will remain a bleeding wound.
Could Turkey stand against Iran, if it resolves its Kurdish issue?
I do not think a conventional war will break out between the two countries. If you are referring to a cold
war, I have no idea about it. I believe that there is a cold war in economic interests. In fact, the only
issue that needs to be resolved is the Kurdish issue, because Syria and Iran use the Kurdish card
against Turkey. I do not want to say that they are using the Kurds; but Turkey needs to resolve its
Kurdish issue.
The relations between Turkey and President of the Iraqi Kurdistan region Massoud Barzani are
firm; could this be influential?
This is a positive development and it will help. But one problem remains, and this is the PKK issue.
This needs to be resolved. I believe that Turkey should take measures to recognize the social, cultural
and ethnic rights of the Kurds in Turkey. Some still approach the Kurdish issue from a Kemalist
perspective. And this is wrong because there is plurality in Turkey and it is an asset for the country.
What is the size of the Druze population in the Middle East? Do you have contact with all of
them?

4. I am an Arab, and I told you I support the Syrian people. There are Druze people who support the
Syrian regime; on the other hand, there are Druze people in Israel, but we have no connection with
them. At the same time, there are Druze people against the Jews in Israel. We are in touch with them
and we support them. This is not about the Druze people; it is about homeland.
PROFILE
Walid Jumblatt is a Lebanese politician and the current leader of the Progressive Socialist Party
(PSP). He is the most prominent leader of Lebanon’s Druze community. Walid Jumblatt graduated
from the American University of Beirut in Political Science. He was a supporter of Syria after the
Lebanese Civil War but, since the death of Syrian President Hafez al-Assad in 2000, he has
campaigned for Damascus to relinquish control. On Jan. 21, 2011, Jumblatt said he supported the
stance of Hezbollah and Syria. With the onset of the Syrian uprising, Jumblatt and the PSP moved
towards an anti-Assad camp.
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