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Episode #87: Scott Ginsberg
In this episode Travis talks to a successful writer and entrepreneur Scott Ginsberg. Scott is a very
talented and creative individual who has written over 27 books and teaches people how to improve their
business through branding and being creative at the same time. Scott's out of the box thinking and
radical approach to business would definitely help entrepreneurs in improving their own business.
Scott and Travis discussed on ways on how to improve one's business through Scott's methods which
is mainly through self-disclosure and improving your craft. Scott gave his take on the top 5 tips that
entrepreneurs could do to become successful and that includes creating a business around your brand,
highlighting customers first rather than yourself, focusing on creativity, being committed to your work,
and also being prolific in everything that you do especially in your business. These are just some of the
beneficial things that entrepreneurs can pick up on this episode of the Entrepreneur's Radio Show.
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Travis: Hey, it's Travis Lane Jenkins, welcome to episode number 87 of the Entrepreneur's Radio
show, a production of RockstarEntrepreneurNetwork.com. Today I'm going to introduce you to rock star
entrepreneur Scott Ginsberg. Now, Scott is the author of a large number of books, one that stands out
to me and that I'm familiar with is Hello, My Name is Scott, The Power of Approachability, How to be
That Guy, and Make a Name for Yourself. Now, one of the things I like about this episode is the
different angle that Scott goes about things which I personally believe is, well number one it is very
interesting because I believe that changing or going about things in an out of the box way or completely
unique way and forgoing a lot of the industries norms is quite often the fastest way to cut through the
BS and really get down to the success that you're after and you deserve. Now, in this episode we're
going to talk about his way of overcoming perfectionism which I know is a common problem with a lot of
people, plus we're going to talk about his top 5 ways to increase your growth and success through your
business. Now, Scott's a no nonsense type of guy so we go at it, have some fun, and he's pretty much
willing to do anything as you'll find out when you listen to the interview. Also, as always be sure and
stay with us until the very end if you can because I want to share some inspiration with you plus I've got
something that I want to talk to you about I'll give you a little hint by asking you a question. And the
question is this, have you ever gone up against your competition, somebody that can compete with you
on a local level. And let's say that they're 20%, 30% even 50% higher than you, and they still win a lot
of business. Does that perplex you, does that confuse you? I bet you there's even cases where

someone does exactly what you do and they are 100%, 200% higher or more expensive than you and
they still get their share of business, right. Well, there's a reason why this happens, and I bet it's a
reason that you probably don't know, or don't suspect. So hang around and that's something that we'll
talk about after the interview.
Now, before we get started I want to remind you that there's two ways that you can take these
interviews on the go with you beyond just listening to them at your computer. If you're like me and you
like to work out or listen to them while you're walking, or driving, or whatever, you can go to
rockstarentrepreneurnetwork.com and just click on the iTunes, well there's a menu bar right there and
you can click on iTunes or Stitcher and we'll take you directly to the podcast, that way you don't have to
try to bumble your way around and find it on either one of those platforms. So, now that we've got all of
that stuff out of the way, let's go ahead and get down to business what do you say? Welcome to the
show Scott.
Scott: Thank you, excited to be part of it.
Travis: Yes, I'm excited to have you here. Hey, do you mind giving us kind of the back-story of what
brought you to today and how you find your success?
Scott: Sure. Well, I took the subway here so that was probably the main transportation vehicle. Other
than that I usually walk. Now, I'm sorry I'm just being a jerk.
Travis: Wow, that's a simple path to success, it sounds like something that everybody can follow.
Scott: Yeah, MTA's always dependable.
Travis: Right.
Scott: So, what brought me here? I mean like the easy answer that you would expect to hear would be
you know, hard work, and commitment, and blah blah blah, like all that stuff and that's all true and
accurate. I think the other answer that perhaps people don't hear a lot and are not expecting but is
equally as valid is volume. My success is a 100% based on volume, and what I mean by that is I'm a
prolific person, I always have been, I make stuff very quickly and I put a lot of stuff out. I don't care if it's
the greatest thing, it's not bad, it's not good. I mean all of it's great, some are better than others but you
know, I'm more interested in prolificacy than precision than precision. So I have written just a ton of
books. I've travelled around the world and put on a ton of shows and it's just, I find that for me anything
that I am deficient in, sales skills, you know, being a detail oriented person, like I'm not good at that
stuff so I just figured if I could put out more stuff than anyone in the world and make it, you know, for the
most part pretty good, that makes up for everything. That's my success. It's a 100% based on volume.

Travis: So, that definitely makes sense. Although there's some in-betweens there that you can't turn
that crap, right? You got to get to a level to where you're turning some pretty good stuff out. I think what
you're talking about is getting over the stumbling block of perfectionism, right?
Scott: Yeah, and certainly I wrote crap in the beginning that I never-- But it's akin to going to the driving
range, right? Before you play 18 holes you have to go to get the shanks out on the range, right? Well, I
spent enough time going to the driving range to the point where now like I can hit par pretty much every
time.
Travis: So maybe the crap isn't distributed to everybody. You hone your skills and share it with your
friends and family, and figure out where the weak spots are, and a lot of this common sense early on. Is
that what I'm hearing you say?
Scott: I think that's part of it, you know. I mean a lot of the crap I don't share, I have a daily process of
getting all the crap out of my system first so that way I can let the good stuff rise to the top, you know,
above the cesspool. And I think that's a pretty reliable way to execute consistently well is by finding
some process to eliminate the waste first early and often, so that way all you have left is the honest and
good stuff.
Travis: Interesting. Okay, so let's talk about the story arc of success and you as a person when, I
mean, have you always been an entrepreneur since you've been an adult, or, how did you make that
journey?
Scott: Yeah. Gosh, I was trying to like trace my entrepreneur journey over the course of my life. When I
was about 12 years old we started taping movies on the cable box we stole. Remember back in the
80's when you have to like steal cable by plugging the descrambler.
Travis: Yeah, right.
Scott: So we stole cable, and we used to tape all of them movies and then sell them to our friends who
didn't have cable. Like my friend and I, we took two VCR's and we hooked them up together so you can
make a copy of a copy. So you know, it was harmless fun as a 12-year old and we've made a couple of
bucks and stuff like that. But you know, I've always done stuff like that. I was a musician before I was
an author and a speaker, so I started writing music when I was 12 and 13. And then when I was 19 I
started my own record label and started putting out my albums and publishing my music. So, it runs in
the family, I come from a family of artists and entrepreneurs so it was pretty much laid out that I was
going to do something like that.
Travis: Okay, so you're innovative at 12 and I've talked about this before. I had a problem following the
rules. I maybe wasn't a terrible student but I wasn't a great student. And what I'm describing is painting

outside the lines and that's what I'm hearing you say. It's kind of blazing your own trail, painting outside
the lines, doing things your own way. So, it started very early. As an adult, what did you do that got you
on the path of being successful as an entrepreneur?
Scott: I don't think I did anything different than what I was going to do anyway. When I wrote my first
book when I was a senior in college, just because I liked writing and I wanted to be an author, and it
was no question that that was going to happen. The only thing I did differently was I raised my hand.
And I think that's a big thing for entrepreneurs to think about is are you really in the business because
you want to be a business person or did you just kind of raised your hand when an opportunity came
by? That's kind of what happened to me. I'm not a great business person, I'm a writer, and a thinker,
and a maker, an artist kind of guy. But I'm not a sales guy; I'm not details or any business kind of
person. I wrote this book and then people asked me to kind of tell my story about it, so I raised my
hand. And people asked me to, "Oh, can you give a presentation?" "Sure, I raise my hand." "Can you
do this service?" or, "Can you do this?" And just as it kind of came in I sort of just said yes to stuff,
because that's my nature, I'm a fundamentally affirmative person. I say yes to things and then I ask,
"Oh yeah, by the way what are we doing?" So, I'd say yes to stuff and, "Oh cool, I can make money.
Great." And I've said yes to enough things that I've been able to both be heard and paid, and somehow
keep the pirate ship afloat. That's kind of my journey; I am not the typical kind of business person. I
don't do it the way that I used to and I'm not driven by business growth, and money, and the way that a
lot of people are. I like to make stuff, and I'll find a way to get paid eventually.
Travis: Interesting. So you're just a total right brainer, right? You're just a highly creative person that
loves to exist in the creative space. And then, however, you monetize that as just however you
monetize it.
Scott: Yeah, I'll figure something out, I always do. I'm probably right brained to a fault; I'm trying to
learn how to become a little bit more tactical. I don't think I'm going to ever become a detail person, but
I think there's things I can get better at that I think are good to have in life. So I am working on it.
Travis: Right. Well, you know, it's a constant. I don't know that you're ever there.
Scott: No.
Travis: If everybody's being honest with themselves, you're never there. It's never--
Scott: Yeah.
Travis: There's this perception that everybody's got it 100% together. If they do I think they're being
dishonest with themselves because there's constant refinement. And so, maybe rather than spending

time to fill those gaps and become something that you're not. Why not hire somebody to fill those gaps
for you?
Scott: And you know, I did that for a long time as a business person and it works out very well.
Unfortunately, you can't outsource working on your marriage.
Travis: Yeah, right.
Scott: Well, actually, you can but you'll probably get divorced. So, yeah, I think for my business sense,
absolutely, you know. Over again, I would have hired a business manager immediately. I don't really
have the acumen or frankly, the money to do that, but day 1, that's what I would have done. I would
have found someone who has the left brain, the money making, the business thinker where I could
basically say, "Hey, I just made this thing" and handed off to this guy and say, "Alright, go sell it", or go
build a rubric and a customer base around. That's what I should have done. And I would totally do it
again if I could do it that way. But I didn’t and I'm okay with that. So, I totally feel you. When it comes to
business, outsource the weaknesses. When it comes to your personal life I think there are certain
things that I could get better at just for my own and my family's sake.
Travis: Well, you need to. There are some things that you do need to pay attention to, and you do need
to grow. You need to walk those miles and nobody else can walk those miles for you. Let's spitball this
a little bit here with what you're talking about. There's a ton of people that can't do what you do Scott.
So they can't wing it, they can't get out there and say yes to everything. They can't get in front of a
group of 10 people, or a hundred people, or a thousand people. And so, okay, maybe during the cycle
of building your business you can't afford to pay somebody to come in and be that left brain. But what
you can do is you can sell them a part of the vision. You can say, "Listen, this is what I want to build. I
can't pay you the ideal salary right now but what I can do is if you're the right person, and we can work
together, we can collaborate, and you can fill the weaknesses.
Scott: Yeah.
Travis: This is the projection, this is what I'd like to do over the next 5 years, I'd like for you since you're
strategic and since you're a left brainer this is where you're most comfortable, I'd like for you to help me
chart this out and in return you'll get this and a part of the business.
Scott: Yeah, I think that's such a great approach that more entrepreneurs should think about.
Travis: And there's a lot of business owners that I deal with that are wanting to make a move from
being a business owner to an entrepreneur. And they don't have the resources, but they're missing
selling that dream. And so, those left brainers out there, they would love to be able to do what you do,
but they're scared to death of it, right?

Scott: Yeah.
Travis: And they're never going to do it. And they know that they're never going to do it, right? And so,
partnering with you would be a dream, right?
Scott: Yeah, maybe. It depends.
Travis: Could be dream.
Scott: It depends. That's another thing I'm learning, is how to become more of a team player, how to be
a little bit less selfish and be more considerate of others. So, I don't know, I don't know if people want to
partner with me yet. Maybe give me a couple of more years and I'll be in a better position.
Travis: Well, why do you say that?
Scott: Well, I'm 33 years old; I've been married for 3 months. So, I'm just now entering into that sort of
phase 2 of my life where moving away from the selfish part of my existence to working as a team.
Going from ME to WE. So, this whole concept of transitioning pronouns is a big thing for me, that's a
big them of my life right now, and it's exciting I love it. I'm really getting better at it and I love working at
it and the improvements are just so great. So, I'll be excited to be in a good spot when I'll feel more
comfortable getting into those certain partnerships.
Travis: Right. Okay, that makes sense. So, how long have you been writing? What, you have twelve
books?
Scott: 27.
Travis: 27. Okay, wow, I thought you had 12. So 27, wow, that is prolific. And so, can you take me
down the path. What was the inspiration, why 27 books?
Scott: The number's irrelevant. Other than why is it 27, it's because I haven't finished my 28th one yet.
I'm not shooting for a particular number, I don't have a goal, I just write a lot, and I just put books out,
and I don't care if they sell, and I don't care if people like them, I just like to write.
Travis: But some things happened where you said, "I want to repeat this, I want to refine it, I want to do
more of this." What is that, and I agree with the number is irrelevant, but why?
Scott: Because that's who I am, that's what I do, I cannot write. I don't know who I am if I'm not writing,
it's so much a part of who I am as an individual that it's just a natural outgrowth of me living my life. So,
I don't know how many I'll write or what they'll be about but, I feel like myself when I do that. So I've
been ---I wrote a book when I was 9 years old called The Jelly Bean That Saved the World and I guess

that was officially my first book. It didn't do very well; it didn't sell a lot of copies. But I worked pretty
hard on it. So it's something I've doing for so long that I can't remember not doing it. And I imagine I will
continue that way for as long as I know.
Travis: And so, what has the writing the books done for you as an entrepreneur. You said that it brings
opportunities your way. What has it brought you?
Scott: A lot of things. Obviously, I wrote my first book when I was 22. Meaning nobody would have paid
attention if I didn't have one. When you're that young with no experience and you're just out of college
you don't have really a lot to offer. So, it gave me instant credibility which is tremendous. So, I think that
was the first thing it gave me. The second thing it gave me was a brand. My first book was called, Hello,
My Name is Scott. It wasn't actually a book, it was a brand. Now, I didn't know that at the time but when
look back and trace the trajectory of my career and that first book, it was what it was. It wasn't the
greatest book I've ever written but it sure did build something incredible. So, that was second thing it
did, it gave me a brand. And then the third it did, and it still does, it gives me an expression. I like to
write, I like to write to chronicle my thinking and I imagine if you look back at all the stuff I've written, I
don't really think of them as books. I know they're books and you can feel them and touch them, but it's
more of just a chronicle of my metabolizing my emotions and feelings, and experiences since I've been
21 years old. That's what it is and that's what it continues to be. So, in that way it gives me this great
outlet and this sort of, it's a gasket if you will where I can sort of process everything.
Travis: That's interesting that you say metabolize because I've written quite a bit. I hadn't written any
books, but I have written quite a bit on the topics that I teach. And it really is a process that goes
through you. It really like you've metabolized it. And so, I've got some books, for the lack of a better
term, maybe 37 page white papers, whatever you want to call them, that I've rewrote and edited for
three years.
Scott: Wow.
Travis: Not because I'm perfecting it as much as I'm going deeper on ideas. Do you ever do that?
Scott: I never used to but now I find myself seeing stuff that I wrote and thinking to myself, "You know,
I have a new angle on that" or "I have a new experience to give with it" or "I've completely changed my
mind, I disagree with what I wrote when I was 27." So, I like doing that. Actually, I was just working on
something this morning that I touched on a couple of years ago, but I want to kind of approach it a little
bit differently. So, I liked plagiarism myself to a small extent, I like to get old things I wrote. And not
completely repeated but pull a sentence or two out and use that as a spark for something new. I don't
write things twice, I don't really edit, I don't revise, I don't do second editions. I think that's such bull---
and a total waste of time. I have friends that are working on their second and third edition, I'm like,

"Why don't you just write a different book?" Actually, if you look at everything I've written, they're all the
next edition. I'm not writing the same book twice but all I'm doing is just writing about my values and my
things that are important to me. So they're all connected, they're all part of a chronology, and to revisit
something or to expand, update and revise, that seems like you're just going back in a time machine
and just kind of repeating yourself, as opposed to doing something new.
Travis: I agree with you. I only find value when I'm going deeper down the rabbit hole.
Scott: Yeah.
Travis: I don't want to find a new way to say the same thing.
Scott: Yeah.
Travis: Or I don't want put it in today's vernacular. I really don't care about that. It's from my own
selfishness because there's an incredible amount of clarity that comes with the writing.
Scott: Sure.
Travis: I've had a topic that I've generated $30-40 million through a business. And when I wrote on it,
now you think, if I generated that much revenue off of it that I'd know everything there is to know about
it, which I thought I did. However, once I wrote, I found a new level of competence and awareness
about that topic that I didn't have before.
Scott: Yeah, totally.
Travis: Does that surprise you?
Scott: No, I learned how to write from George Carlin, he's my hero in terms of a creator. And George
Carlin you should talk about how he wrote comedy different in his 30's and 40's than as 50's and 60's,
because the matrix was bigger and he says, "In the beginning of you career you're writing off on the
front of your brain very superficially. But as you get older or as you get more mileage depending on how
much you do in your years, you're kind of bouncing off a thicker wall. So, I think there's a certain
amount of perspective and insight that wasn't there the first time that you can go back in that into. And I
think that's really where the good stuff is, going down the rabbit hole and having some new tools to dig.
Travis: Yeah, it's really amazing the level of clarity of-- I was talking about this, I just did in my last
interview, and the guy that was interviewing said that he had found that just journaling was very
beneficial for him. And something that I had said is I had been wrestling with a back problem for over
the last 5, 6 years , and I said, I'd started journaling, writing about-- really not journaling, just writing
about what I'd been doing to and how the back problem ebbs and flow. And I said, "It's almost gone."

And then we moved on to another thought. Really, in order to give that a proper explanation, it didn't go
away just because I was writing about it, what it did is it engaged me in a new, linear fashion of thought.
And as it moved me down that linear fashion of thought I come to the conclusion of the problem. And I
feel like that it wouldn't have unfolded if I hadn't done that, does that make sense?
Scott: I think that's awesome, I'm actually writing down what you just said because I think that's great.
Writing engages you in a new linear fashion of thought. Yeah, I found the same process to be effective
as it related to some stomach problems I used to have. My therapist who once gave me this great
exercise and he said, if you are noticing stress, manifesting in my stomach, everyone manifest stress
differently, but he says, "If you feel it in your stomach and you notice it's there, it's not about fighting it or
wishing that it goes away, or trying to work to make it go away." "You know what you do, is just sit down
and literally have a conversation with your stress." And I'm like, "How does that work?", he goes, "You
will write it on your screen or your computer as if you were writing a script for a movie. And you would
have character 1 is Scott." And he says, "Hello stress, how are you?" And then character 2, stress, "Oh,
hi Scott, I thought I'd stop by." "Oh really, what were you thinking?" It's hokey but like you really sort of
have this, you change your relationship with your stress, and you use writing as the tool to sort of
create this world around it. And you just have a very relaxed, peaceful conversation. And I started doing
that and it really helped me understand why I was manifesting stress and where it was coming. And just
by having those conversations it changed your relationship with it. It's amazing how it tends to go away
in a different type of fashion.
Travis: Yeah, it puts a handle on it. Sometimes when you can't pick something up if it had a handle on
it, you could pick. That's what it does; it puts a handle on it. That's a crazy way of saying it. So, I did
something very similar. So number one, let me go back about the health thing, and I completely agree
with you. It was like a bad movie with my back, it just kept playing over and over and over, and I really
never could come to the solution. But until I wrote it down, once I wrote it down, it quit playing over, and
over, and over, and I could move forward. And I think that's part of the mechanism of what works
whenever you start doing what we're talking about. So, as a young man I had managed to screw
around and not get an education at all because I realized I could charm and manipulate my way
through school and not learn anything. Are you there? I think we lost Scott. I saw the connection drop.
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Travis: Scott.
Scott: Okay, we're back.
Travis: Did you have to reboot?
Scott: Yeah, what the--

Travis: What's that?
Scott: Wi-Fi was all messed up but I'm good.
Travis: Okay. So basically I went through a phase some 20 plus years ago where I couldn't read. I had
a real problem with reading. And the problem is I kept having dialogue like another person inside of my
head was having dialogue with me while I was trying to read.
Scott: Yeah.
Travis: I think this is a common problem with most people, right? Or I've found, when I've asked other
people that they have had similar problems. And so I had messed around and didn't get the education
that I should have gotten, and it really concerned me. So, I was on this path to where I was going to
undo the wrongs of my wasted childhood by reading, right? And so, my first book was Psycho-
Cybernetics and I started reading it, and every page I kept having dialogue with myself. Well, what does
that word mean? You can't even focus. Why are you reading this, none of this is making sense to you.
This is all inner dialogue while I'm going on when I'm trying to read. And it really got in my way for
several days, and I kept pushing, and pushing, and pushing. And one day I just got really angry, and
something inside of me just broken. And I threw a fit, and I cussed that voice out. This is probably a
very silly sounding story. But once I got angry and I treated that voice as it was someone else, and said
what I needed to say to it, the voice went away. And all of a sudden I could read the pages and I could
understand what was being said on the pages to a much greater degree than I had before. And that's
one of the times that I had stumbled into a connotation of what we're talking about. Sometimes when
you're dealing with a problem or an issue, or even a person that's passed away. The way to continue
that conversation is sit down and either have that conversation with him or write about it, does that
make sense?
Scott: Yeah, that's a powerful experience for sure.
Travis: Yeah, have you had any type of experiences like that to where you've just kind of stumbled in
to how to get in touch with that inside voice, or is it just something that's always been there that's dying
to get out?
Scott: I guess it's a little bit different. I never took a combative approach with that, I always honor the
voice. And whatever voice was in there, I try to find a way to let it out and listen to it, and share it with
people. Maybe that was the big discovery for me is not just letting out, you know, [No audio 00:33:33]
with people and maybe finding out they've got a similar voice, and then we can all get together and we
can share the voices, and figure out what to do about it.

Travis: I think we have two voices in us. We have one that's our lower self, our inner child that wants to
be destructive, and mean, and say cruel things about you, and disrupt things. And I think we have a
creative voice inside of us also, which is our truer self. Do you agree with that?
Scott, I lost you.
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Scott: Okay, here we go.
Travis: Alright. What's the deal, is it Skype, or is it your--
Scott: I have no idea.
Travis: Okay. Alright, so I was saying, I feel like there's two voices. I think there's an inner child that's a
little negative.
Scott: Right.
Travis: One that wants to say mean, horrible things to you, and then there is the creative voice. Do you
think that way also, do you agree?
Scott: Maybe. I don't know. I think it's other people's voices. My creative child voice has always served
me really well, and asked me to--
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Travis: Hello?
Scott: Are you there?
Travis: Yeah.
Scott: I think Skype has a voice and it's really pissing me off.
Travis: Right, okay. Alright, so you were saying.
Scott: Anyway. I think it's a lot of times it's not so much your voice but maybe voices from the past of
other people that you can't get out of your head. And that's the challenge, is to not let those voices of
people that have said negative things. Not to let those voices rule the day.
Travis: Right. Okay, so since this show speaks to entrepreneurs, what do you feel like-- let's take your
top 2 favorite books that speak towards entrepreneurship. I think that really, the majority of them do.

Scott: Oh, I think so. I mean you can take any book and make it an entrepreneur book as long as you
have the right filter.
Travis: Right.
Scott: The two that have been the most helpful, the first one is The War of Art by Steven Pressfield.
Have you read that one?
Travis: No, actually just downloaded the audio version of it about 30 minutes before we got on this call.
Scott: Good. It came out in 2001, and it is the only book that I read every year. That's how good it is,
and it's about resistance and the creative blocks, and hard work, and showing up every day to do
whatever you have to do. It's really great, and it's sort of like watching Shawshank Redemption, you
know, I always get something new every time.
Travis: Right.
Scott: There's that one, I love it, everyone should buy it. And then I read a book about two years ago
by Reid Hoffman, the founder of LinkedIn, and it's a book called The Start-up of You. It's really good, it
talks about viewing yourself as a start-up and always being beta mode, and you know, in the same way
that start-ups pivot and adjust based on market feedback. We have to give the same. I went through a
pretty serious identity crisis a couple of years ago when I was making some professional transitions.
And that book was really helpful and kind of reminding me, don't cling to your gifts too tightly. And don't
make one thing all you stand for, and diversify your identity, and become known for more than one
thing beyond just what you've already done. All that stuff was really instructive to me and I recommend
it to everybody.
Travis: Very cool. I've never heard that one, The Start-up of You. And who's that by?
Scott: Reid Hoffman, the founder of LinkedIn.
Travis: Okay. Take me down the path of some of your books here. I think one of the common themes
that I see is just approachability, right?
Scott: Yeah, that was the first thing I really noticed of wearing a nametag every day, it did two things. It
made a people more likely to approach me, which is awesome, but also gave me a chance to approach
people with a different attitude and different contacts. And I've always struggled that part of the
communication to being proactive and stepping out, and expressing myself, and volunteering
information about how I'm feeling. That's always been struggle as a communicator. I'm great at the
other end of it, I'm a great listener, and I'm great at letting people come on to me. Wearing the name

tag was really helpful on kicking me in the butt and trying to be more proactive with stuff. That's kind of
where approachability started.
Travis: It's interesting that you're so prolific of a writer yet you have those other aspects of your
personality to where you're not completely outward with your mindset or your thoughts. Did I
understand that right, you're more interested in what's going on with other people than sharing what's
going on with you?
Scott: I think that's shifting. Perhaps in the beginning, yeah, I've learned over time and certainly it's
reflected and stuff that I put out about having a good balance between the two. I like my private time
and as much as I'm an extrovert I'm a highly introspective person. So, I try to strike that balance and
make sure that I'm doing both because it's pretty central for me, your identity. Human beings create
their identities in the context of other people. You can't sit in the corner and perfect yourself, you have
to develop the self as it relates to connecting and having intimacy with other human beings, friends,
colleagues, partners, etc. So, yeah, I'm working on that balance.
Travis: Well, it's interesting, it's polar opposites isn't it?
Scott: Maybe. It's on the same spectrum that's for sure.
Travis: It's polar opposite and I guess it's standing out with me because I suffer from some of the same
problems. I do this show, I speak with a lot of people, I know a lot of people. But I mostly spend my time
talking about them and what's going on with them because that fascinates me, it's interesting to me.
Scott: Yeah.
Travis: Yet I'm not as comfortable talking about myself a whole lot. I do try to share some of my
personal stories because I think it's jarmaine to the story and I want to drive home the importance of
what you're sharing. But I'm more comfortable living in other people's world and that's really kind of the
polar opposite, and that's what I hear you saying also.
Scott: Yeah, it's good to have both. I think readers appreciate end of the story.
Travis: Yeah. So, wearing a name tag everywhere you go. Other than starting up conversations, does
it really add value from a business standpoint?
Scott: Well, still here.
Travis: Well, I mean.

Scott: Directly, no. Wearing a name tag isn't going to do nothing for your business. But what will do
something for your business is when you start to look at what a name tag symbolizes and how to apply
it, and I'll give you an example. Because I wear a name tag, is the fundamental unit of self-disclosure.
This is my name, that is the basic way that we get to know people. And self-disclosure is reciprocal. So
when I wear a name tag people just introduce themselves to me just out of nowhere. Why? It's because
of reciprocity. So if you go to a sales-- maybe a better context of the leadership situation. If you're in a
leadership position and you want to have a connection with your team or your whoever. Your
volunteers, your people. Whatever it is that you're willing to share. If you're willing to be vulnerable, and
to be open, and to share your mistakes and failures then that inspires other people to do the same.
They feel comfortable, and they feel okay, and they kind of have the permission to be themselves too.
And I think that enables an organization to do better, to have a sterner connection in the culture
because of that reciprocity. That's got nothing to do with the name tag but it is symbolized by that basic
concept of a name exchanged with others.
Travis: Yeah, and I've been to a lot of events to where you walk around with name tags around your
neck, right?
Scott: Right
Travis: And you just forget that they're there because you've had it on all day. And people do act
different. They--
Scott: Oh yeah. It's interesting how anonymity affects behavior. One of the most well-known topic was
in the 70's by Dr. Philip Zambardo. What he did is he had these fake nurses applying a very minor
electro shocks to patients who answered questions incorrectly. That's a very like 70's, 80's thing to do.
It's sort of like out of the beginning of Ghostbusters. But like these women and these fake uniforms, the
control group was just women in nurse uniforms, but the variable group were women who had names
on their badges on their uniforms, and they actually held the buzzer about 50% less than the women
who didn't have names. Why? Because they want anonymous. So when you know that people know
your name there's just certain amount of accountability, and there's no anonymity so you tend to
behave better. And this study was one of the landmarks, sort of perks of that concepts.
Travis: That sounds like a connotation of the Milgram Experiment where they administered shock until
actually to a level that's lethal after 12 or 13 times. But due to the fact that an authority was present
they went ahead and delivered it anyways. So it's a connotation of that. Wow, that's interesting. So the
name is there. So the person obviously is second to themselves. Well, I know this is Mary and so
Mary's going to have to be accountable for this
Scott: Yeah.

Travis: I'll go ahead and press the button.
Scott: Exactly.
Travis: Okay, interesting. Alright, so, all of these books that you've written, let's condense some of this
wisdom into things that we can share, maybe actionable items or things that you feel like that stand in
the way of most entrepreneurs, way of maybe being prolific or making more connections, growing their
business. How does that relate to these people and what would be the top 5 things that you would tell
them they should or shouldn't do.
Scott: Okay. So, top 5 things, number 1. One of the things that I learned is that my process was
essentially creating a business around a brand. I already had my brand, it was Hello, my name is Scott,
it was the name tag. And then I spent the past 13, or whatever many years, building the business
around that. A lot of people, entrepreneurs being these people have the business first, and then they
build the brand around it. So, there's two different approaches, one is not better than the other. You
can't only have a brand, you have to have some substance to it. But you can't only have substance with
no brand, or nobody will remember it. So, that's the first thing is when it comes to identity is to side
which one are you doing. Are you building a brand first or the business first and the other around it. And
if so, [No audio 00:47:37] between those two.
Travis: And now, you cut out. So if you're building a brand around this then what?
Scott: Just finding the balance between, you know--
Travis: Okay, find the balance in between.
Scott: Brand versus business and you know which one you're building around which and just be aware
of how you're doing that because either path can work as long as you understand its relationship to the
other.
Travis: Okay, alright.
Scott: The second one, and we've been talk from a sort of interpersonal level. I always thought that
being approachable, or being memorable, or whatever. I always thought it was about being the life of
the party. It's not, it's about bringing other people to life at the party. And I think it's a good approach
that people can have when they're at an event is what can I do to be the reason this other person is
excited and has come to life. And how can I set that person up to look great. So that way, put their
name up at the lights and give them a front row seat to their own--
Travis: Yeah, you cut out there are you still there Scott?

Scott: Still with me?
Travis: Yeah, you cut out for a second. So how would we structure that sentence. So number 2, how
would you phrase that? You've described it and what I hear you saying is rather than being interesting,
be interested.
Scott: No, I don't-- I mean sure, that's been said a million times so I want to sort of think of the better.
It's not about being interested, it's about finding someone else is interesting, and make sure that you
amplify that, interesting-ness to everyone else.
Travis: Okay.
Scott: You know what I mean, like, I'm interested but I want 200 people that see this other person to be
more interested in that person. I just want to push that person out there.
Travis: Okay and so how would we structure that? What would you call that? Even if you had to craft a
word, you know.
Scott: It's called orderliness.
Travis: Orderliness, okay, there you go.
Scott: Okay. Number 3, we can focus more on the sort of creativity, writing side. For me I find writing to
make everything else I do easier, and that's because I'm a writer but you don't have to be a writer. So,
example, let's say you have a sales job, brand new job, just started your new business. Well, it's always
an interesting challenge to think about how writing can make you better at this job. So, maybe if that
means writing out the description of your product over and over so you know it better. Maybe it means
writing material about the value of your product as publish own material so you can promote it better.
But the thing you can do to write more, makes you more familiar. As you said earlier today writing gives
you a handle. So if you can use writing to give you a handle on your own products, that's only going to
make you a more effective sales person.
Travis: Okay.
Scott: Fourth example, what we'll talk a little bit more strategic and a lit bit more macro. The best
technique is commitment. I get emails all the time from people asking me for like techniques on stuff,
I'm like, you know what, there's every book in the world, we'll give you techniques, it's like there is one
technique and they always works and it's called commitment. It's like the simplest thing in the word and
it pisses people off because it's really hard, and no one has got a commitment. And there's no math, it's
like you have to just sort of figure it out yourself, like, I am amazed that when you just commit and stick
with stuff, and stay consistent with it a lot takes place.

Travis: So commitment, not just commitment to being successful, but say you have-- because that's
too broad. But say that you've decided to execute item A, stick with it, commit it, or is that what we're
talking about?
Scott: Yeah, I mean I think of it on a very granular level. Committing to success is going to do nothing
for you.
Travis: Right.
Scott: But committing to introducing 2 new people every week that need to know each other, that will
do something.
Travis: I know lots of people that are on to executing the new thing, and the new thing, and new thing,
and new thing, and they never finish the old thing.
Scott: Yeah, I think that's pretty common with like serial entrepreneurs that they just kind of move on
and go to the next thing. But, it's amazing how much that stuff pays off. Anyone who can get really
good at not going away will win.
Travis: Right. I agree with you. It's an incredibly unsexy skill and item to put on the list here but it's
very, very accurate. Okay, so number 5.
Scott: I mentioned this very early in the interview that volume was my secret, and I think that
entrepreneurs should think about what prolificacy can do for them, and what that looks like for them.
So, it's easy as a writer because it's a little bit more tangible because I write lots of stuff. But if you are
in the technology world, if you're developing, encoding, what little bit can you do every single day to
build up a body of work. If you're a graphic designer that's a no brainer because it's so visual. What can
you draw every single day and can you publish that on the hands and build their portfolio. Prolificacy
pays off and volume wins, and I challenge people to think about like what is your sort of daily micro
moments of value, of volume I should say. I try to write 500-ish words every single day. I'm pretty good
about it, and we do that over the course of a year, that's a couple of hundred thousand words, and that
really adds up. So, what is that moment of volume for each person?
Travis: 500 words a day, that's all?
Scott: Yeah.
Travis: I would expected a whole lot more, and not to trivialize that. I didn't mean to say that in a
trivializing way but I just expected 2,000 words from you a day.

Scott: I used to. I don't write as much as I used to because I just don't care as much as I used to. But I
would certainly put out a couple of thousand back in the day. But I don't write 8 hours a day like I used
to. So 500 is manageable, it's enough for me to be okay with myself. Do the math, 500 words a day, 5
days a week, that's 250,000 words a year, that's like four books a year, that's insane, and that's a page
and a half.
Travis: Well, you know, it really is. I think very few people make slow, steady, forward progress.
Scott: Right.
Travis: And I'm guilty of it at times to where I'm busy going laterally rather than forward because I'm
just bored with what I'm working on.
Scott: That's interesting. What do you mean like laterally?
Travis: Well, sometimes instead of completing a project, I will set it aside and work on something else.
And I'll work on something else so I'm not necessarily moving towards completing that one project, like I
have. Now, I will, I'm very tenacious and that's a part of my success, but I have three projects that I'm
working on right now. And so, I could've put them back-to-back, finish one. And efficiency experts
would say put them back-to-back, finish one then move on to the next, and then move on to the next.
Whereas, a lot times I'll work on 3 different projects.
Scott: Yeah, I guess it's the temperament thing. I'm an incrementalist, I like to do a little bit every day,
and I like routine, and I like consistency. So, I'm the same for the music world. Like I said I've been
writing music longer than I'm writing books. And I make one maybe two songs a month, that's not very
much but that'll give me an album by the end of the year.
Travis: Do you still play?
Scott: Yeah, all the time. I perform on the weekends in the park, there's this real beautiful tunnel right
by my house at this park and it's got great natural acoustics so I just play. There's always kids and
people and stuff walking by, it's pretty fun.
Travis: Cool. So, let's see, we're getting long on the time here, what do you say we transition to the
lightning round where you going to get a chance to sing.
Scott: Okay, man, let's do this.
Travis: What do you want to sing?

Scott: Oh jeez, I mean it is Christmas time. I do love Christmas music. Do you have a favorite
Christmas song?
Travis: How about something by Elvis?
Scott: Elvis is good. God, which ones did he do, he did so many of them.
Travis: Blue Christmas.
Scott: I love Blue Christmas and I don't know the words, but I will tell you. My favorite Christmas song
is an obscure one and it's called I Want a Hippopotamus for Christmas.
Travis: Oh yeah, that's one of my favorites. I'm totally pulling your leg. Is this the part where you grab
your guitar and play I want a Hippopotamus for Christmas? I think we've lost Scott again. Scott?
Scott: Can you hear me?
Travis: Yeah, I can hear you now.
Scott: Okay, yeah. Anyway, like I was saying, I Want a Hippopotamus for Christmas is by Gayla. So
the girl who sang this song, her name is Gayla Peevey, age 10. Is this the part where I sing it?
Travis: Well, yeah, are you going to grab your guitar, or are you just going to do it?
Scott: I guess I'll have to do it acapella. Alright, here we go. One, two, three.
(♪♪♪) I want a hippopotamus for Christmas, only hippopotamus will
No crocodiles, or rhinoceroseses, I only want hippopotamuseses.
A hippopotamuses like me too. (♪♪♪)
Thank you.
Travis: Well, it's very nice of you to share that with me. I have to confess that I haven't heard that
before.
Scott: Oh, it's so good.
Travis: Yeah, that's excellent. There's no bridge in there.
Scott: That was just one verse. I'm not doing the whole thing, my voice is tired.
Travis: Okay, alright. I'll let you slide on that.

Scott: Thanks.
Travis: Alright, so listen. Let's go ahead and transition to the lightning round.
Scott: Alright.
Travis: I'm sure you've probably spent quite a few hours noodling over the questions that I sent you
and pontificating what your answers would be, right?
Scott: Yeah, I couldn't sleep last night because I was looking at them.
Travis: Yeah, I was troubled that keep you up.
Scott: Yeah, that's alright.
Travis: Okay, so basically, my first question is what's a book that you would recommend? And you've
really already answered that, right?
Scott: I can give you a new one.
Travis: Yeah, well, give us another.
Scott: Alright. I just read Dave Eggers' new book called The Circle, and it's awesome.
Travis: The circle. What's that about?
Scott: It's a dystopian fiction, my favorite kind of book. And it's about like a sort of Google, Apple,
Facebook mash-up company that's taking over the world but it's like a huge cult and it's just spooky and
awesome.
Travis: Circle, okay. What is one of your favorite tools or pieces of technology that you've recently
discovered, if any, that you'd recommend to other business owners and why?
Scott: It's not that recent but I discovered Buffer App which a tool for timing and scheduling your
tweets. I used to binge tweet and people got really mad at me, and they're like, "Just use buffer." I'm
like, "Oh, okay." And so, you can tweet 15 tweets at once but you spread it out throughout the day so
people don't hate you.
Travis: People hating you, not a good thing.
Scott: Sometimes. It's good to have people to hate you initially because it's good to go back and say
"How do you like me now?" but no, it's not good.

Travis: What quote would best summarize your belief or attitude in business?
Scott: Gosh.
Travis: This is probably what kept you up last night.
Scott: I will say that "Ideas are free, execution is priceless."
Travis: Not only a great quote but great advice.
Scott: And a great title of a book you can buy.
Travis: Oh yeah?
Scott: Yeah, it's mine.
Travis: I was fixing to say-- Do you have any special super powers that you wouldn't mind sharing with
us?
Scott: Yeah, I can see through walls. It is really helpful when by like the girl's bathroom.
Travis: You can see through what?
Scott: Walls.
Travis: Oh nice, okay.
Scott: Yeah, I'm actually looking to the wall right now and my friend of mine is washing her hands.
That's kind of awkward.
Travis: Okay.
Scott: But other than that, no, I don't have any superpowers, I just make a lot of stuff.
Travis: Cool. What do you dream of?
Scott: Let's see. Last night, I had a really interesting dream about playing basketball, which is
fascinating because I suck at basketball. But I have very random dreams. A lot of times they're about
sports which is strange because I'm not good at it. But yeah, there's an example for you.
Travis: No, what do you dream of as far as accomplishing.
Scott: Oh sure. Well, like I said, I got married a couple of months ago and I think the most exciting part
about getting married is all I've ever wanted was to be married. Like my whole life I just wanted to be

married, I never cared about going on dates, and sort of the typical single male approach to dating. I
just wanted to be married. So, now that I've accomplished that, I'm good for awhile.
Travis: Well, that's a good place to be. Since we're running out of time I better wrap it up here. Let me
ask you, what's a best way for people to connect with you?
Scott: I don't know what the best way for people to connect to me, it's up to them. So if they just
Google Nametag they can make the decision from there.
Travis: Spoken like a true artist. You're such a right brainer there Scott. So, in whatever links I find for
you, do you mind if I go ahead and post them up there on the website so that they can just connect with
you there?
Scott: Yeah, Travis, whatever you like man.
Travis: Yeah, cool. Well, listen; you've been a blast to visit with. I love the left field creative angle that
you come from. I like people that think completely different. I don't mind left field answers or crazy
attitudes about things, it really shakes things up and encourages you to kind of find your own groove
and do your own thing, right?
Scott: Absolutely, left field is a good place to be. Center field was never for me so I like over there on
the left.
Travis: Right. Well, listen man, I enjoyed it. Let's stay connected, and what I'll do it whenever this
episode goes live, I will reach out and let you know. And share the link with you.
Scott: And I will spam the world with it.
Travis: Alright. I enjoyed it Scott, sorry about the connection stuff brother.
Scott: No, it's my fault. So happy holidays.
Travis: Alright man, take care.
Scott: Later.
End of Interview

Travis: Bye. Okay, great, thank you, thank you for that. Now, remember that you can find all of the links
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Now, at the beginning of the show I asked you this question. Have you ever gone up against your
competition locally, and their 20, 30, even 50% higher than you and they still win a lot of the business,
they still have customers. Does that confuse you, does that offend you, does it perplex you, what does
it do? And I even said, I bet you there are cases to where people selling, or offering, or providing the
same thing that you offer, or a very similar version of it, are charging 100% more, even more than that.
And they're still getting their fair share sales, right? Well, there's a reason why this happens. Normally,
they have systems that are hidden, at least from you and the rest of their competition. Now, the
systems give them an unfair advantage. These systems are the things that once they're set-up many of
them work on autopilot, conditioning those prospects to know, like, and trust them. This makes those
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your tomorrows." This is Travis Lane Jenkins signing off for now. Stay motivated my friend, what you're
doing as an entrepreneur is much more important than you may realize. To your incredible success,
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