Cisco Pervasive Conferencing where Voice, Video and Web Meet

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Toronto, Canada
May 30, 2013
Pervasive
Conferencing
Webex Enabled TelePresence
Andrew Bell
Technical Marketing Engineer
Collaboration Technology Group

Agenda
• Introductions and Housekeeping
• Solution Overview (and Updates)
• Scheduling and User Experience
• Detailed Architecture
• Deployment
• Roadmap
• Existing OneTouch (1.0) customers
• References

TelePresence and WebEx Working Together
• Live, face-to-face communication
experience over the network
• Share content
• Personal, desktop, multipurpose,
integrated, and immersive endpoints
• Meet anytime, anywhere, in real time
• Deliver presentations, show
documents, and demonstrate
applications
• Pass meeting control or control a
remote desktop
Cisco TelePresence Cisco WebEx

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Cisco TelePresence WebEx Integration
• Integrate Cisco TelePresence and Cisco WebEx into one solution
• Attend meetings using the most accessible collaboration technology
• Improve user experience and productivity
• OBTP TelePresence and WebEx
• Simplified scheduling
Integrating the two solutions

Cisco TelePresence Enabled WebEx
• Two way video & audio with TelePresence Server (TS) or TelePresence MCU for
conferencing
• Easy scheduling with TMS and Cisco Outlook Productivity Tool (PT)
• Any TelePresence endpoint registered to CUCM or VCS
• One Button to Push/OneTouch to join TelePresence with WebEx
• Two way data content sharing
• Audio via SIP/IP, or PSTN audio including third party TSP Audio providers
• WebEx Meeting Center and mobile clients
• VCS Expressway to WebEx Cloud
Main features

Cisco TelePresence WebEx OneTouch
Solution overview
Unified CM
TMS TMSXE
CTS / TX
H.323
Endpoints
EX, MX,
SX, C series
99xx
TS / MCU
All others
VCS-C VCS-E
WebEx Client
OBTP
Audio, Video, and
Presentation over SIP
Scheduling in Outlook with WebEx PT, WebEx mailbox
or via TMS Smart Scheduler or admin booking
SIP MediaH.323SIP TLS

Updates & Current Positioning
• WebEx in the Cloud (not on premise)
• Meeting Center and TelePresence scheduled meetings (no adhoc)
• MCU or TP Server required
• WebEx Audio or Certified Telephony Service Provider only
• 4 Scheduling Options
• US Interconnect

Steps to Success
Be Cautious: Engage the Assessment 2 Quality (A2Q) process early to ensure your
customer meets the requirements
Be Patient: Production capabilities will be rolled out in the cloud incrementally: e.g. North
America, WebEx Audio, TSP Audio, additional geographies, etc.
Be Thorough: Review solution release notes and other documentation to ensure that all
stakeholders fully understand known caveats and considerations

Solution Pricing
• No additional charge for WebEx and TelePresence working together
• Standard WebEx host licensing required. Customer must order a zero
dollar SKU for provisioning
• TMS WebEx scheduling Feature License Key also required, zero
dollar cost
• Standard VCS Expressway Traversal Licensing, one traversal per
concurrent TelePresence with WebEx meeting
• For Microsoft Exchange & Outlook scheduling, standard TMS
Extension for Microsoft Exchange (TMSXE) 3.0 or higher for number
of endpoints with Exchange Mailboxes to be scheduled
• Productivity Tool (PT) is free of charge, available from customer’s
WebEx site
• A2Q – Assessment 2 Quality process will be required
New
$0!!

OneTouch Solution Components
Product Product model Min. Software version
WebEx Meeting Center T28.10
(Plus lock-down version T28)
CUCM CUCM 8.6.2 or 9.0
VCS VCS-C, VCS-E X7.2.2
TMS
TMS Extensions for Exchange
TMS Provisioning Engine
TMS
TMSXE
TMSPE
TMS 14.2
TMSXE 3.1 optional
TMSPE 1.1 optional
TelePresence MCU 8510, 8420*, 5300 series, 4500
series, 4501, & 4200 series*
4.4
TelePresence Server 8710, 7010 3.0***
TelePresence Endpoints Any supported by MCU or TS All (focused testing**)
WebEx Outlook Plug-in PT For OneTouch Meetings With T28.10
WebEx Mobile Clients iPad & iPhone (iOS) WebEx Client 4.5 for iOS
* SD only
** TX, CTS, EX, SX, MX, C, 8900, 9900, Jabber
*** Does not yet support DTMF (no TSP audio support)

Scheduling and
User Experience

Scheduling and User Experience
• Outlook with Exchange using WebEx Productivity Tool plug-in, Windows only initially
• TMS new Web Smart Scheduler
• WebEx Scheduling Mailbox; Any mail client sending invite via Microsoft Exchange with
TelePresence rooms and a Scheduling mailbox to mark the meeting as OneTouch
• TMS Admin Booking Interface available to any user with TMS account (mostly for help
desk)
Four options for scheduling a meeting
With asynchronous scheduling, only the organizer receives email
with details, they then have to cut/paste to send to other participants
Synchronous
Asynchronous

WebEx Productivity Tool
• Add participants, rooms,
subject and body in usual
fashion
Scheduling Option #1

fashion
• The TelePresence Rooms
finder makes adding rooms
easy

fashion
easy
• Include dial-in ports for
people to join from Jabber
or EX Series

fashion
easy
• Include dial-in ports for
people to join from Jabber
or EX Series
• WebEx Select by default,
option to change password
or other options

• New tool replacing the existing TMS Web scheduler
• Browser based, tested on PC and Mobile devices including iPad or iPhone
• Part of TMS Provisioning Engine (TMSPE)
TMS Smart Scheduler

Scheduling a New meetings
TMS Smart Scheduler

Enable the meeting for Webex
TMS Smart Scheduler

• For any Email client connecting to Exchange, including Outlook for Mac, iPad or mobile
phone clients, or Outlook Web Access
• To schedule, organizer creates invite with TelePresence rooms/resources, participants
and includes WebEx Scheduling Mailbox
• WebEx Scheduling Mailbox is an Exchange Mailbox designated in TMSXE to add
WebEx OneTouch to any TelePresence Meeting
• Can be any name (e.g., Add WebEx or OneTouch). TMSXE keeps this mailbox empty,
allowing overlapping scheduling
• A-synchronous scheduling, only the organizer receives email with details, has to
cut/paste into invite for other participants
WebEx Scheduling Mailbox

TME Admin Booking

Confirmation Emails Received for WebEx, TP, and OneTouch
Email Received
By Host
Email Received
By Participant
Web Scheduler Prod. Tools Web Scheduler Prod. Tools
WebEx Only
Meeting
WebEx Web Scheduler Used
• Text Only email
• WebEx Host email
(Can be Suppressed)
• Text Only Cal
Invite
WebEx Web Scheduler Used
• Text Only email
• Text Only Cal
Invite
TP Only
Meeting
TMS Web Scheduler Used
• HTML Email
(Can be Suppressed)
• HTML Email TMS Web Scheduler Used
• HTML Email
• HTML Email Cal
Invite
OneTouch
Meeting
TMS Web Scheduler Used
• HTML Email
(Can be Suppressed)
• HTML Email TMS Web Scheduler Used
• HTML Email
• HTML Email Cal
invite

OneTouch meetings
Scheduling Option
All
Participants
receive info in
initial invite
Organizer
receives email,
cut/paste to all
participants
Set TP
Options
Requirements
Outlook for Windows &
Productivity Tool ✔ ✔
Outlook for Windows 2007
or 2010 + TMSXE 3.1
Outlook for Mac by adding
to invite
✔
Outlook 2011 for Mac +
TMSXE 3.1
Mobile devices or standard
email clients or OWA, with
WebEx Scheduling Mailbox ✔
Any email client to MS
Exchange + TMSXE 3.1
TMS Web Smart Scheduler
✔ ✔
Any Web Browser + TMS-
PE

Confirmation email
Click to join WebEx
WebEx meeting details
SIP and H.323 dial-in
details for non-OBTP
TelePresence endpoints
Audio dial in details
for WebEx
Scheduled TelePresence
endpoints

4 layout options on TS for single screen endpoints
User experience with TelePresence Server
TelePresence User’s
Perspective
• One WebEx user visible at a time ( )
• If WebEx user is active speaker they are shown in
larger active speaker window (applies to layouts 1-3)
• The last speaking WebEx user is visible
Content from TP system or
WebEx sent on separate
channel via BFCP, TIP or H.239
1 2
3 4
Up to
9 PiPs
Up to
16 PiPs

• ActivePresence view of
TelePresence endpoints seen ( ),
when TelePresence endpoint is the
active speaker
• Video of the active speaker from
TelePresence Server:
Video: qCIF to 720p
Content: TS2.3 XGA
TS3.0 XGA to 720p
• Video resolution may downgrade to
preserve best experience for all
WebEx User’s
Perspective

• WebEx Meeting Center full screen “Theater View”
WebEx User’s
Perspective
When TelePresence endpoint
is active speaker
When WebEx user is active speaker
TP Endpoint(s)
never shown in
theater thumbnails

User experience with MCU
TelePresence User’s
Perspective
• Over 50 layout options on the MCU:
• One WebEx user visible at a time
• If WebEx user is active speaker they are shown in
larger active speaker window. The last speaking
WebEx user is visible.
Content from TP system or
WebEx sent on separate
channel via BFCP or H.239

• Full screen view of actively speaking
TelePresence endpoint seen ( )
• Video of the active speaker from
TelePresence MCU:
Video: qCIF to 720p
Content: XGA to 720p ?
• Video resolution may downgrade to
preserve best experience for all
WebEx User’s
Perspective

• WebEx Meeting Center full screen “Theater view”
WebEx User’s
Perspective
When TelePresence endpoint
is active speaker
When WebEx user is active speaker
TP Endpoint(s)
never shown in
theater thumbnails

• Automatic content sharing between all WebEx and
telepresence endpoints
• Sharing from WebEx supports the ball being grabbed by a user,
or ball being passed by host
• Host ID published in welcome screen allowing remote user to
reclaim host role
• TelePresence user uses usual process to start data sharing,
TelePresence endpoint automatically ‘grabs’ the ball to start
presenting
OneTouch Data Sharing Experience

• The OneTouch welcome screen is
displayed on dedicated data-share monitor
or as PiP for single screen
• Provides notification to TelePresence
users that WebEx is connected
• Displays WebEx meeting info and WebEx
participants list
• Admin option in T29 planned to disable
welcome screen as content is maximized
by default, creating non desired user
experience for single screen endpoints
OneTouch welcome screen for TelePresence endpoints

Without content being shared

With content sharing

• Will there be a Welcome screen like on the current WebEx OneTouch?
Yes, with minor changes for improved usability. Short term solution till all participants and WebEx info is available on
touch displays with XCCP in CY14.
• Will there be an integrated list of participants?
Not in the OneTouch 2.0 release, planned for follow up shortly after the OneTouch 2.0 FCS with XCCP between
TelePresence MCU or TelePresence Server and WebEx. Note this is change from OneTouch 1.x version
• What about Mobile devices?
WebEx mobile clients like iPad & iPhone support two way video and data share. (iPad/iPhone support shortly after FCS)
• What about iPad clients, should they use Jabber or WebEx?
Jabber Video for iPad connects to TelePresence MCU or TS as if another TelePresence endpoint. iPad users with both
Jabber Video & WebEx clients can decide on best way to join meeting depending on location and client features
OneTouch welcome screen FAQs

Detailed
Architecture

Detailed Architecture
• Endpoints can be registered to CUCM or VCS
Endpoints
Endpoint Type OBTP
Automatic
Connect
CTS, TX Series
EX/MX/SX/C Series registered to CUCM
EX/MX/SX/C Series registered to VCS
Jabber, MXP-Series, T-Series, or Third party
WebEx Meeting Center or Mobile Clients
Click to
Launch

Preferred Architecture
Call Control
Also supported with VCS only
Unified CM
CTS / TX
H.323
Endpoints
EX, MX,
SX, C series
99xx
TS / MCU
All others
VCS-C VCS-E
WebEx Client
TMS
Other
Endpoints
EX, MX,
SX, C series
TS / MCU
VCS-C VCS-E
WebEx Client
TMS

• WebEx Audio
WebEx provided audio bridges, small share of WebEx customers. Position WebEx Audio for a single
vendor solution. Can be VoIP or PSTN Connection.
• Telephony Service Provider (TSP) Audio provided by Service Providers
Audio bridges provided by different SP’s around the world including BT, Qwest, Intercall, etc. TSP is
intelligent link between WebEx cloud and audio bridge providing advanced features.
Highest percentage of WebEx customers use this option.
• WebEx Cloud Connect Audio
New WebEx offering for large enterprise customer with SIP trunk between customer prem and WebEx
audio datacenter. Available in Summer 2013.
• Third party audio (without TSP)
SP audio bridge services without TSP link, where WebEx and Audio are not linked during call, nor is
callback service provided. Not OneTouch supported – do NOT position.
Audio options

• OneTouch 2.0 with WebEx audio via VoIP (SIP based via Expressway) or PSTN
where required by in-country rules
• TSP Audio with MCU only in this release
• TSP partners; Level 3, PGI, BT, InterCall, Verizon, Arkadin plan to test in Cisco lab
for certification starting in Q2CY13
Status of TSP testing to be posted on IWE page
• If your customer’s TSP not in list
During A2Q process get TSP involved
Get TSP partner to be certified in Cisco AST lab
Minor integration development required by TSP
Need 1 month to plan, develop and schedule test
• TelePresence Server using TSP & CCA audio is not supported, planned mid CY2013
Audio options

• With OneTouch 2.0 the TelePresence bridge always calls out to WebEx for video and audio.
TMS tells the bridge when & what to dial.
• WebEx audio customers supported with TelePresence MCU and TelePresence Server with
audio over SIP/IP via Expressway (WebEx mixes audio for PSTN call-in users).
• TSP audio support only on TelePresence MCU with OneTouch 2.0.
Two legs (ports) from TelePresence MCU:
1) Video & Content via SIP though Expressway
2) Audio via PSTN Gateway.
• TelePresence Server to support TSP audio is planned 2HCY13. Likely Conductor required
• TSP audio support is planned for both CUCM (ISR with digital trunks using MGCP or SIP) or
VCS (GW 3201 and MSE 8321) registered ISDN gateways.
• TSP Audio customers have to check with their Audio Service Provider for OneTouch TSP
feature capability.
Audio options

OneTouch 2.0 with audio via PSTN
Unified CM
MCU
VCS-C VCS-E
WebEx Client
Video, and
Presentation
over SIP
PSTN
Audio via
PSTN gateway
VVVV
Voice Gateway
Audio
Gateway can be
MGCP, SIP,
H.323, SCCP etc

OneTouch 2.0 with TSP audio
Unified CM
MCU
VCS-C VCS-E
WebEx Client
Video, and
Presentation
over SIP
PSTNVVVV
Voice Gateway
Audio
Gateway can be
MGCP, SIP,
H.323, SCCP etc BT, Intercall,
Verizon, etc.
TSP Link

OneTouch 2.0 with WebEx audio (SIP)
Unified CM
MCU
VCS-C VCS-E
WebEx Client
Audio, Video, and
Presentation over SIP

• How to address MeetingPlace integration questions?
Our plans are to offer audio via the WebEx Meeting Server premise based offering in addition to WebEx or
TSP audio. No plans for supporting TSP with the existing MeetingPlace products. OneTouch integration
with WebEx on-premise product is planned for CY14*.
• Is WebEx Cloud Connect supported?
It is planned to support Cloud Connect customers with audio and video from customers site to WebEx in
mid CY13 after Cisco production deployment.
• What about WebEx node ASR?
WebEx node on ASR does not support OneTouch meetings. WebEx node can still be used for non
OneTouch meetings.
Audio solutions FAQs

Behind the Scenes
for Scheduling

1) PT on send gets
WebEx Info
Scheduling – synchronous with productivity tool (PT)
TMS TMSXE
2) PT then
gets TP Info
4) Info sent back to PT to
populate invite
5) Invite sent to exchange.
Accept/Reject
6) Sync Meeting (EWS API)
3) TMSXE schedules
via TMS Booking API
Exchange
Outlook WebEx

• On sending the invite, PT connects to WebEx first for scheduling WebEx meeting. PT
then connects to TMSXE for TelePresence scheduling. TMSXE schedules and updates
TMS via the Booking API.
• PT gets meeting details from both WebEx and TMSXE to add to Outlook invite before
sending to Microsoft Exchange.
• Invite goes to MS Exchange to be accepted/rejected by standard acceptance resource
rules. Invite is also copied to any additional recipients.
• TMSXE will see invite from Exchange and process as a meeting scheduled by
Productivity Tools.
• Organizer may receive email from both WebEx and TMS based on admin settings
confirming the meeting
Scheduling – synchronous with productivity tool (PT)
Non Exchange or non PT Outlook users can use TMS Smart
Scheduler or WebEx Scheduling Mailbox method

1) Invite TP endpoints and
WebEx Resource mailbox
Scheduling – asynchronous using WebEx mailbox
TMS TMSXE
4) Schedule WebEx
5) Send WebEx
details to TMS
6) Send confirmation email
2) If accepted, meeting
sync with EWS
3) TMSXE schedules
via TMS Booking API
Exchange
Outlook WebEx

• TMSXE, for Exchange only, will add WebEx to a TelePresence scheduled meeting by
including the WebEx Scheduling Mailbox in the invite sent to Exchange.
• Admin defines mailbox resource name, e.g. onetouch@example.com.
• Can be used by any client supported by Microsoft Exchange including Outlook 2011 for
Mac, iPad, mobile phones, or Outlook Web Access.
• No option to set additional TelePresence Conference dial-in ports, or change defaults
using this method
• Email to organizer a few seconds/minutes later confirms both WebEx and TelePresence
resources available. Details have to be cut/paste to same invite or another invite for
meeting participants.
Scheduling – asynchronous using WebEx mailbox

1) Books meeting via
Smart Scheduler
Scheduling – asynchronous using Smart Scheduler
TMS
User WebEx
3) Send WebEx
details to TMS
2) Schedule WebEx
4) TMS sends
email to organizer
• Users login to Smart Scheduler hosted by TMSPE (required)

Must enable these services for OneTouch scheduling:
• TMS 14.2 or higher with WebEx Configured (Multiple WebEx sites supported)
• PT user can’t change WebEx site in this release, set by WebEx Site
• TMSXE 3.1 if using Exchange integration including Productivity Tool, installed on
companion server (TMS Core and Extensions are not recommended virtualized on
same server)
• TMSXE standard licensing/keys which includes booking API enabled plus new
OneTouch license feature key
• TMSXE includes support for WebEx Scheduling Mailbox
• TMS web based Smart Scheduler requires TMS Provisioning Engine (TMSPE) on TMS
Server, no additional licensing for just Smart Scheduler. Find-Me or other PE features
require their licensing feature keys
Scheduling – required services

Deployment

Deployment
• All communications between customer on-prem and WebEx are encrypted via VCS as
per Cisco's Minimum Encryption Standard requirements.
• Customer's WebEx-facing VCS-E shall present a TLS certificate signed by a trusted
Certificate Authority.
• Self-signed certificates cannot be used.
• For details on how to configure a client/server certificate, refer to the "Certificate creation
and use with Cisco VCS Deployment Guide" at the following location:
• https://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/telepresence/infrastructure/vcs/config_guide/Cisco_V
CS_Certificate_Creation_and_Use_Deployment_Guide.pdf
Security considerations

Deployment
• North America only at FCS, California and Texas
• EMEA and APAC WebEx Datacenters supporting OneTouch interconnections planned for
1HFY14
• Any concerns from international customers on this should contact OneTouch TME’s, see
IWE page for contact info
WebEx considerations

Deployment
• The bandwidth required to send OneTouch Telepresence video is higher.
• SVC technology is used in the client software and uses multilayer frames
to send video and allows the receiving client to automatically select the
best possible resolution to receive video.
• Actual bandwidth used is less then the maximum and is variable.
WebEx Clients Bandwidth Information
Experience Resolution Max bit rate
(send)
Max bit rate
(receive)
High Definition (HD) 720p (1280x720) 3.0 Mbps 2 Mbps
High Quality (HQ) 360p (640x360) 1.5 Mbps 1 Mbps
Standard Quality 180p (320x180) 500 kbps 500 kbps
6 thumbnails 90p N/A 500 kbps
1 thumbnail 90p 50 kbps N/A
WebEx
Network
Bandwidth
White Paper
http://www.webex.com/pdf/wp_bandwidth.pdf

Deployment
• In TMS, you can select the maximum WebEx participant bandwidth:
• In addition you can limit WebEx video at the site level (see WebEx site administrator
guide) to HQ video or lower resolution.
Bandwidth from On-Premise to WebEx

Configuration & Troubleshooting
http://preview.cisco.com/en/US/docs/telepresence/cts_admin/webe
x_solutions/guide_2.0/cts_webex_trbl.html
Troubleshooting
• Contents
• Verifying and Testing
• Cisco WebEx Site Administration Online Help
• Troubleshooting Tips
• Problems with Scheduling a Meeting
• Problems with Starting or Joining a Meeting
• Problems During a Meeting
• Managing System Behavior
• Managing the Cisco WebEx Video View Window

Existing WebEx
Customers

Existing WebEx Customers
• Existing customers may need to be migrated to a different cluster which might use
slightly different dial-in numbers for meetings. Impact minimal.
• Customers using meetings hosted in US, but with a high volume abroad may experience
minor delays in VoIP and video abroad. A cloud feature - Global Distributed Meetings
can not be enabled for OneTouch. Impact minimal.
• Provisioning of the new OneTouch feature must be done in maintenance windows.
Impact miniscule.

Existing OneTouch (1.0) Customers
• Existing customers using OneTouch 1.0 with CTMS & CTS-Man need to start planning
for migration to OneTouch 2.0 TelePresence infrastructure
• No plans to support OneTouch 2.0 features with CTS-Man or CTMS
• TMP Discount Program for CTS-Man to TMS, and CTMS to TelePresence Server
planned

Roadmap

Roadmap
• WebEx Network Based Recording (NBR)
• WebEx Custom Session Types (Restricts WebEx features)
• Telephony Service Provider (TSP) Audio with TelePresence Server
• Training Center, Event Center, Sales Center
Only Meeting Center clients in this release.
• WebEx Meetings (New WebEx Service)
• WebEx Meeting Server premised based solution
• White-boarding or uploading file for sharing
No Plans to support MeetingPlace Audio or ASR WebEx Node
Features planned for future release - WebEx

Roadmap
OneTouch 2.0 roadmap and beyond
Uncommitted Roadmap
• PT Scheduling for Mac
• TMS Scheduling Enhancements
• WebEx Meetings
• Event Center & Training Center
• WebEx Android Client
• WebEx Meeting Server
• Unified participant list
• Mute Controls
• White-boarding or uploading file for sharing
• OneTouch with Ad-Hoc meeting
• Service Provider delivered TelePresence
B2B service
OneTouch 2.1 (2HCY13)
• TSP Audio with TP Server
• Conductor Scheduling
• PT Time zone enhancement
• PT UE enhancements (Collapsible
window + TMS port scheduling limits)
• Network-based Recording via WebEx
• Custom Session Types
• Cloud Connected Audio
• Global WebEx Datacenter
Connectivity (EMEA & APAC
OneTouch 2.0 (1HCY13)
• Synchronous Scheduling with Productivity
Tool( PT) for Windows Outlook
• TMS User/Admin Scheduling
• WebEx Scheduling Mailbox
• Two-way HD video & XVGA content sharing
• WebEx Meeting Center PC, Mac, iOS*
clients
• Cisco TP endpoints (CTS, TX, EX, SX, MX,
C Series) & OBTP
• Jabber & MXP dial-in
• WebEx Audio with both MCU and TP Server
• TSP Support with MCU
• Third party EP dial-in support
* iOS with 2 way video - July’13

References

References
• Social Collaboration Community OneTouch Page;
http://iwe.cisco.com/web/ctgs/products/infrastructure/conferencing-and-gateways/webex-
onetouch
• Internal Collateral on CEC/TP and WebEx pages
• OneTouch 2.0 Playbook with pricing and how to order slides
• AM and Customer facing slides
http://wwwin.cisco.com/telepresence/webex-one-touch.shtml
http://wwwin.cisco.com/voice/products/conferencing/telepresence_webex/
• VoD, Scheduling Options for OneTouch (Flash Tutorial)
http://iwe.cisco.com/web/view-post/post/-/posts?postId=301400071
• Ask-WebExandTP@cisco.com alias setup for the field and customers to ask questions
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