SlideShare uma empresa Scribd logo
1 de 10
De-Mystifying Mazda RX-7 Ignition Operation, John Thornton,
Underhood Service, October 1998

   •   Rotary Engine Principles
   •   G & Ne Signals
   •   Poorly Idling '88 RX-7
   •   Finding TDC

The Mazda RX-7 is an infrequent visitor to our shop. On average, we may see
three to five of these vehicles a year for driveability concerns. It used to be that
much of our diagnostic time was spent re-learning the engine's support systems
such as fuel, emissions and especially the ignition system. I can still remember
carefully studying crowded ignition schematics while trying to determine what
wire goes where and what its purpose was.

This month's Diagnostic Dilemmas will try to explain the Mazda RX-7's ignition
system operation, and how the ignition systems (yes, systems - these vehicles
have two) can be evaluated in an efficient manner. We'll focus on late 1980s and
early 1990s RX-7s.

                           Rotary Engine Principles           [go to top]
                           The best place to start this discussion is with a review
                           of rotary engine principles. As you know, there are two
                           rotors in each rotary engine. Each triangularly shaped
                           rotor has three faces, or three combustion area
                           surfaces. Each face of the rotor goes through an intake
                           event, a compression event, a power event and an
                           exhaust event. Therefore, in one revolution of a rotor,
                           each rotor face has gone through all four events
                           (intake, compression, power and exhaust). Said
                           another way, there are three power events, or pulses,
                           in one rotor revolution. Here's where things get
                           interesting.

                           Each rotor is turned by an eccentric shaft; we can call it
                           a crankshaft. See Figure 1. The eccentric shaft has two
                           offset eccentrics (one for each rotor) mounted 180
                           degrees apart. This shaft allows the rotors to move in
                           the shape of an epitrochoidal curve.
Figure 3 does a nice
job of showing the
relationship of the two
rotors and how they go
though the four
combustion events.
What does this all
mean? Let's
summarize with some
key pieces of
information.

   •   In one rotor
       revolution, there
       are three firing
       events or power
       pulses.
   •   The eccentric
       shaft makes
       three revolutions
       for every rotor
       revolution. This
       means the
       eccentric shaft
       rotates three
       times faster than
       the rotor. This
       allows the rotors
       to follow the
       shape of an
epitrochoidal
       curve.
   •   In a two-rotor
       engine, the
       eccentric shaft
       rotates through
       three revolutions
       (1080 degrees)
       for six firing
       events or power
       pulses.
       Therefore, and
       this is important,
       in one eccentric
       shaft (crank)
       revolution, an
       ignition event
       occurs every
       180 crank
       degrees.

   •   The front rotor
       leads the rear
       rotor by 60 rotor
       degrees or 180
       eccentric (crank)
       shaft degrees.

The above information becomes important when we start to examine the
relationships between ignition signals.

We also know that each rotor has two spark plugs: a leading plug and a trailing
plug. The leading spark plug fires at 5 degrees ATDC and the trailing spark plug
fires at 20 degrees ATDC. This 15-degree difference at the crank translates into
5 degrees at the rotor. Do you remember why? The crank turns at a 3:1 ratio to
the rotor. The purpose of the trailing spark plug is to continue the burn for more
complete combustion and reduced emissions. The leading plug is the lower plug
in each housing, and the trailing plug is the top plug in each housing. Fortunately,
each plug hole is marked with an "L" or a "T."

Starting in 1986, a crank angle sensor replaced the distributor. The crank angle
sensor looks like a distributor, but instead of a cap with wires at the top, it has a
removable inspection plate. Because of the crank angle sensor and loss of the
distributor cap and rotor, these ignition systems are known as distributorless.
Our next step in understanding this system is to review the schematic. Figure 4 is
a partial schematic from an RX-7. What is not shown are the crank angle sensor
inputs. However, Figure 4 shows all the wires between both igniters (leading and
trailing) and the PCM. We can see that there are four wires connected between
the igniters and the PCM, but what are their functions? How are the coils
connected to the igniters? These are just some of the questions I've asked
myself when troubleshooting these systems. Let's simplify and continue.

G & Ne Signals         [go to top]
Figure 5 is a much simplified schematic. The G and Ne pick-up coils are located
inside of the crank angle sensor. Their output is sent directly to the PCM. IgT is
the ignition timing signal (trigger) sent to the igniters from the PCM. The igniters
will not toggle the primary without this signal. The leading coil (mounted in the LF
corner of the engine compartment) is a true distributorless coil. Both leading
plugs fire together, even though the rotors are 60 rotor degrees apart or 180
crank degrees apart. The two trailing coils are mounted in the LR corner of the
engine compartment.

                                                                        This is not a
                                                                        typical
                                                                        distributorless
                                                                        system. You'll
                                                                        notice that
                                                                        there is only
                                                                        one IgT signal
                                                                        sent to the
                                                                        trailing igniter
                                                                        from the
                                                                        PCM. Well,
                                                                        how does the
                                                                        trailing igniter
                                                                        know when to
                                                                        fire each coil
                                                                        with only one
                                                                        signal? That
                                                                        is the purpose
                                                                        of the Select
                                                                        signal. The
                                                                        Select signal
                                                                        tells the
                                                                        trailing igniter
                                                                        which coil to
                                                                        fire. We'll see
                                                                        how, shortly.
We will now look at these signals in more detail and we'll study some problems
I've come across with these engines.


                                       If you were to remove the inspection plate
                                       or cover of the crank angle sensor, you
                                       would see two teeth at the very top and 24
                                       teeth just below the top two. The two-tooth
                                       reluctor provides the G signal, which is
                                       rotor position information. The 24-tooth
                                       trailing coil firing reluctor provides the Ne
                                       signal, which is rpm information and
                                       trailing-coil firing synch. Like a
                                       conventional distributor, the crank angle
                                       sensor turns at half crank speed. One
                                       crank angle sensor degree is equal to two
                                       crankshaft degrees, since the crank turns
                                       twice as fast.

                                       Known good G and Ne signals are shown
                                       in Figure 6. Channel 1 is Ne. Ne frequency
                                       is approximately 12 times as fast as G.
                                       This should make sense, since G
                                       produces two signals to Ne's 24 signals
                                       per crank angle sensor revolution. These
                                       signals were captured at approximately
                                       1,360 rpm.

Poorly Idling '88 RX-7          [go to top]
What do you think is going on in Figure 7? Something doesn't look right, does it?
When the inspection plate was removed on this crank angle sensor, I discovered
one chipped tooth on G and two chipped and slightly bent teeth on Ne. I'm not
sure how this happened, but I suspect someone was trying to adjust something
with a screwdriver. This pattern is from a 1988 non-turbo RX-7 with about 82,000
miles. It had a very poor idle, and the engine acted like it had a miss under load.

Both G and Ne are critical inputs; they should be checked if one suspects
primary problems or injector trigger problems.
Figure 8 compares a leading ignition primary to IgT. Notice when the 0-5 volts
IgT pulse goes low, primary dwell ends and the coil fires. For every IgT pulse
sent to the leading igniter, the coil will fire. This is a very good way to evaluate
the leading igniter's performance. (Compare input to output.)

By the way, the leading ignition system is critical for performance. You can
disable the trailing ignition system and the engine will start and run. As a matter
of fact, based on my testing, there won't be any performance concerns with it
disconnected. So, if you suspect an ignition issue, focus on the leading system.
But, since the
trailing system is
important for
emissions
reduction, it should
be tested for proper
performance. A few
paragraphs ago, I
briefly mentioned
the Select signal
used by the trailing
igniter. Fifteen crank
degrees after the
leading plug fires,
the trailing plug will
fire. How does this
igniter know which
trailing primary coil
to fire? There is only
one IgT signal for
two coils. The
Select signal sent
from the PCM to the
trailing igniter
determines which
primary (trailing plug
#1 or trailing plug
#2) will fire. Please
study Figures 9 and
10.

Figure 9 compares
the primary of
trailing coil #1 to the
0-5 volt Select
signal.

Figure 10 compares
the primary of
trailing coil #2 to the
0-5 volt Select
signal. What is
different between
these two?

Focus on the Select
signal. Trailing
    primary #1 fires
    when the Select
    signal goes from 0
    to 5 volts, while
    trailing primary #2
    fires when the
    Select signal goes
    from 5 to 0 volts. So
    while there is only
    one IgT signal for
    both coils, the
    trailing igniter knows
    which coil to fire
    based on the rising
    or falling edge of
    the Select signal.
    Certainly, an
    interesting and
    unique approach.
Finally, the last trailing
igniter signal to
discuss is IgF. This is
a feedback signal from
the trailing igniter to
the PCM. IgF is only
produced when trailing
primary #l fires. There
must be actual primary
firing!

Figure 11 shows IgF
on channel 1 and
trailing primary #1 on
channel 2. Look okay?
Well, this about wraps
things up, or does it...?

Take a close look at
that primary pattern in
Figure 11. What is
going on in that spark
line? Figure 12 will
give you a better view.
Have you ever seen a
spark line look like
                               that? About 1 msec
                               into the spark line,
                               extreme turbulence
                               seems to occur,
                               lasting for about 0.8
                               msec, and the spark
                               line remains flat. Both
                               trailing primaries have
                               the same pattern. The
                               leading primaries look
                               normal. Overall engine
                               performance was very
                               poor. I have only seen
                               this pattern twice, and
                               both vehicles were
                               RX-7s. The cause:
                               retarded ignition timing
                               due to improper crank
                               angle sensor position.

Finding TDC         [go to top]
Now this next discussion is a real diagnostic dilemma. Properly installing a crank
angle sensor is pretty straightforward. The eccentric shaft (crank) marks are first
lined up, and a mark on the crank angle sensor driven gear is aligned to the
crank angle sensor housing. The crank angle sensor is then slid into its bore in
the engine. Everything seemed to be okay. But with the engine running, idle
quality and performance could drastically be improved by advancing (turning
clockwise) the crank angle sensor. If I advanced the crank angle sensor's
position by one tooth, performance was better. A few phone calls to a tech line,
two Mazda experts and a little research said I needed to find TDC.

With a new TDC identified, I installed the crank angle sensor. Did it work? I'll let
Figure 13 answer that question. Figure 13 is the trailing primary #1 pattern. The
spark line is back to normal, as is engine performance. As I mentioned, I've run
into this situation twice. I'm still not sure what causes the timing to change in the
first place. It must be something in the engine, but what?

Well, I hope I've shed some light on these very interesting ignition systems. While
most of us may not see these vehicles regularly, it can be very helpful to have a
good understanding of how known good ones work. This knowledge can reduce
our diagnostic time drastically. Good luck in your own Diagnostic Dilemmas!

          Here is the procedure I used:
1. Remove both rear rotor spark plugs.
2. Rotate the crank until you can see an apex seal (tip of
   the rotor) in the trailing spark hole. The trailing plug
   hole is restricted, making the seal somewhat difficult
   to see. Use a flexible light and a mirror. When the
   seal is seen, mark the crank.
3. Rotate the crank until you see the same apex seal in
   the leading spark plug hole. This plug hole is not
   restricted, which makes it easy to see the seal. Mark
   the crank.

4. Halfway between your two marks is TDC for the front
   rotor (#1) rotor.

Mais conteúdo relacionado

Mais procurados

Complete guide to Internal Combustion engines (IC engines)
Complete guide to Internal Combustion engines (IC engines)Complete guide to Internal Combustion engines (IC engines)
Complete guide to Internal Combustion engines (IC engines)Syed Yaseen
 
Immobiliser
ImmobiliserImmobiliser
ImmobiliserUbaz Ky
 
Jet engine thermodynamics
Jet engine thermodynamicsJet engine thermodynamics
Jet engine thermodynamicsAdnan Aslam
 
GAS TURBINES IN SIMPLE CYCLE & COMBINED CYCLE APPLICATIONS
GAS TURBINES IN SIMPLE CYCLE & COMBINED CYCLE APPLICATIONSGAS TURBINES IN SIMPLE CYCLE & COMBINED CYCLE APPLICATIONS
GAS TURBINES IN SIMPLE CYCLE & COMBINED CYCLE APPLICATIONSAbdelrhman Uossef
 
Wankel engine
Wankel engineWankel engine
Wankel enginew1nds
 
Blok silinder (cylinder block)
Blok silinder (cylinder block)Blok silinder (cylinder block)
Blok silinder (cylinder block)wiwithardianto
 
Gearbox in automobile
Gearbox  in automobile Gearbox  in automobile
Gearbox in automobile sgrsoni45
 
Turbine gas
Turbine gasTurbine gas
Turbine gasmaulanho
 
Unit I- general consideration
Unit I- general considerationUnit I- general consideration
Unit I- general considerationYugal Kishor Sahu
 
Design and fabrication of geneva mechanism based punching machine
Design and fabrication of geneva mechanism based punching machineDesign and fabrication of geneva mechanism based punching machine
Design and fabrication of geneva mechanism based punching machinechockalingam athilingam
 
Combustion chambers in si engines
Combustion chambers in si enginesCombustion chambers in si engines
Combustion chambers in si enginesDhruv Shah
 
types of fuel injection system and nozzles
types of fuel injection system and nozzlestypes of fuel injection system and nozzles
types of fuel injection system and nozzlesJanardhanReddyBommiR
 
Gas turbine engine
Gas turbine engineGas turbine engine
Gas turbine engineUday Wankar
 
12. sistem pengisian
12. sistem pengisian12. sistem pengisian
12. sistem pengisianMUGI YONO
 
Measuring of different parameter of IC engine
Measuring of different parameter of IC engineMeasuring of different parameter of IC engine
Measuring of different parameter of IC enginebhavesh patwa
 

Mais procurados (20)

Complete guide to Internal Combustion engines (IC engines)
Complete guide to Internal Combustion engines (IC engines)Complete guide to Internal Combustion engines (IC engines)
Complete guide to Internal Combustion engines (IC engines)
 
Buku Manual Ac Mobil
Buku Manual Ac MobilBuku Manual Ac Mobil
Buku Manual Ac Mobil
 
Four stroke petrol engine
Four stroke petrol engineFour stroke petrol engine
Four stroke petrol engine
 
Immobiliser
ImmobiliserImmobiliser
Immobiliser
 
Steam engine
Steam engineSteam engine
Steam engine
 
Clutch mechanism unit 2
Clutch mechanism unit 2Clutch mechanism unit 2
Clutch mechanism unit 2
 
Jet engine thermodynamics
Jet engine thermodynamicsJet engine thermodynamics
Jet engine thermodynamics
 
GAS TURBINES IN SIMPLE CYCLE & COMBINED CYCLE APPLICATIONS
GAS TURBINES IN SIMPLE CYCLE & COMBINED CYCLE APPLICATIONSGAS TURBINES IN SIMPLE CYCLE & COMBINED CYCLE APPLICATIONS
GAS TURBINES IN SIMPLE CYCLE & COMBINED CYCLE APPLICATIONS
 
Wankel engine
Wankel engineWankel engine
Wankel engine
 
Blok silinder (cylinder block)
Blok silinder (cylinder block)Blok silinder (cylinder block)
Blok silinder (cylinder block)
 
Gearbox in automobile
Gearbox  in automobile Gearbox  in automobile
Gearbox in automobile
 
Turbine gas
Turbine gasTurbine gas
Turbine gas
 
Unit I- general consideration
Unit I- general considerationUnit I- general consideration
Unit I- general consideration
 
Design and fabrication of geneva mechanism based punching machine
Design and fabrication of geneva mechanism based punching machineDesign and fabrication of geneva mechanism based punching machine
Design and fabrication of geneva mechanism based punching machine
 
Combustion chambers in si engines
Combustion chambers in si enginesCombustion chambers in si engines
Combustion chambers in si engines
 
types of fuel injection system and nozzles
types of fuel injection system and nozzlestypes of fuel injection system and nozzles
types of fuel injection system and nozzles
 
Gas turbine engine
Gas turbine engineGas turbine engine
Gas turbine engine
 
12. sistem pengisian
12. sistem pengisian12. sistem pengisian
12. sistem pengisian
 
Measuring of different parameter of IC engine
Measuring of different parameter of IC engineMeasuring of different parameter of IC engine
Measuring of different parameter of IC engine
 
Rotary Engines
Rotary EnginesRotary Engines
Rotary Engines
 

Semelhante a Mazda Rx7 Ignition Operation

Ignition systems page 7
Ignition systems page 7Ignition systems page 7
Ignition systems page 7Rob Ansell
 
Niyantra sensor report
Niyantra sensor reportNiyantra sensor report
Niyantra sensor reportSurajkumar Lal
 
ecii_lecture_note_1643261129.pdf
ecii_lecture_note_1643261129.pdfecii_lecture_note_1643261129.pdf
ecii_lecture_note_1643261129.pdfssuser1fba50
 
Ignition systems page 1
Ignition systems page 1Ignition systems page 1
Ignition systems page 1Rob Ansell
 
Lecture 2.2_Power electronic devices_Thyristors_2.pdf
Lecture 2.2_Power electronic devices_Thyristors_2.pdfLecture 2.2_Power electronic devices_Thyristors_2.pdf
Lecture 2.2_Power electronic devices_Thyristors_2.pdfssuser99d6551
 
New microsoft office word document
New microsoft office word documentNew microsoft office word document
New microsoft office word documentBindu Kannan
 
Ignition systems page 8
Ignition systems page 8Ignition systems page 8
Ignition systems page 8Rob Ansell
 
2D-environment navigation using a neural network
2D-environment navigation using a neural network2D-environment navigation using a neural network
2D-environment navigation using a neural networkArturo Di Lecce
 
Chopper Wheel.ppt
Chopper Wheel.pptChopper Wheel.ppt
Chopper Wheel.pptlokma3
 
Ignition toyota igt
Ignition toyota igtIgnition toyota igt
Ignition toyota igtToni Gim
 
line following robot
line following robotline following robot
line following robotRehnaz Razvi
 

Semelhante a Mazda Rx7 Ignition Operation (20)

Ignition systems page 7
Ignition systems page 7Ignition systems page 7
Ignition systems page 7
 
Niyantra sensor report
Niyantra sensor reportNiyantra sensor report
Niyantra sensor report
 
Ch10
Ch10Ch10
Ch10
 
Speed measurement
Speed measurementSpeed measurement
Speed measurement
 
Ppt (2)
Ppt (2)Ppt (2)
Ppt (2)
 
Ppt (2)
Ppt (2)Ppt (2)
Ppt (2)
 
Emission-Control-Sensors-pptx.pptx
Emission-Control-Sensors-pptx.pptxEmission-Control-Sensors-pptx.pptx
Emission-Control-Sensors-pptx.pptx
 
ecii_lecture_note_1643261129.pdf
ecii_lecture_note_1643261129.pdfecii_lecture_note_1643261129.pdf
ecii_lecture_note_1643261129.pdf
 
Ignition systems page 1
Ignition systems page 1Ignition systems page 1
Ignition systems page 1
 
Lecture 2.2_Power electronic devices_Thyristors_2.pdf
Lecture 2.2_Power electronic devices_Thyristors_2.pdfLecture 2.2_Power electronic devices_Thyristors_2.pdf
Lecture 2.2_Power electronic devices_Thyristors_2.pdf
 
New microsoft office word document
New microsoft office word documentNew microsoft office word document
New microsoft office word document
 
Ignition systems page 8
Ignition systems page 8Ignition systems page 8
Ignition systems page 8
 
Ignition system.pptx
Ignition system.pptxIgnition system.pptx
Ignition system.pptx
 
2D-environment navigation using a neural network
2D-environment navigation using a neural network2D-environment navigation using a neural network
2D-environment navigation using a neural network
 
Chopper Wheel.ppt
Chopper Wheel.pptChopper Wheel.ppt
Chopper Wheel.ppt
 
Presentation on module line
Presentation on module linePresentation on module line
Presentation on module line
 
Ignition toyota igt
Ignition toyota igtIgnition toyota igt
Ignition toyota igt
 
Ignition systems
Ignition systems Ignition systems
Ignition systems
 
line following robot
line following robotline following robot
line following robot
 
Gamma Camera
Gamma CameraGamma Camera
Gamma Camera
 

Mais de CardinaleWay Mazda (20)

Playboy Mazda Cup Racing Schedule
Playboy Mazda Cup Racing SchedulePlayboy Mazda Cup Racing Schedule
Playboy Mazda Cup Racing Schedule
 
Mazda Tribute Ford Escape Gear Product List
Mazda Tribute Ford Escape Gear Product ListMazda Tribute Ford Escape Gear Product List
Mazda Tribute Ford Escape Gear Product List
 
Mazda Rx 8 Compressor
Mazda Rx 8 CompressorMazda Rx 8 Compressor
Mazda Rx 8 Compressor
 
Mazda Foundation Form
Mazda Foundation FormMazda Foundation Form
Mazda Foundation Form
 
Mazda Domain Name Dispute Wiho
Mazda Domain Name Dispute WihoMazda Domain Name Dispute Wiho
Mazda Domain Name Dispute Wiho
 
Mazda Catalog
Mazda CatalogMazda Catalog
Mazda Catalog
 
Mazda Case
Mazda CaseMazda Case
Mazda Case
 
Mazda3
Mazda3Mazda3
Mazda3
 
Mazda Price List 2007
Mazda Price List 2007Mazda Price List 2007
Mazda Price List 2007
 
Mazda Challenge Rules
Mazda Challenge RulesMazda Challenge Rules
Mazda Challenge Rules
 
Haltech Mazda3
Haltech Mazda3Haltech Mazda3
Haltech Mazda3
 
Mazda Zoro Talk
Mazda Zoro TalkMazda Zoro Talk
Mazda Zoro Talk
 
Mazda Rotary Engine Conversion Prototype
Mazda Rotary Engine Conversion PrototypeMazda Rotary Engine Conversion Prototype
Mazda Rotary Engine Conversion Prototype
 
Xarsxthroughxthexages 002
Xarsxthroughxthexages 002Xarsxthroughxthexages 002
Xarsxthroughxthexages 002
 
Mazda versus Vette Performance
Mazda versus Vette PerformanceMazda versus Vette Performance
Mazda versus Vette Performance
 
Weighted Score And Topsis
Weighted Score And TopsisWeighted Score And Topsis
Weighted Score And Topsis
 
What Can Be Done Ip Litigation Prall
What Can Be Done Ip Litigation PrallWhat Can Be Done Ip Litigation Prall
What Can Be Done Ip Litigation Prall
 
Mazda Trio Notes
Mazda Trio NotesMazda Trio Notes
Mazda Trio Notes
 
Mazda Trio Meeting
Mazda Trio MeetingMazda Trio Meeting
Mazda Trio Meeting
 
Mazda T21040000010021 Ppte
Mazda T21040000010021 PpteMazda T21040000010021 Ppte
Mazda T21040000010021 Ppte
 

Último

Vip Mumbai Call Girls Navi Mumbai Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massag...
Vip Mumbai Call Girls Navi Mumbai Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massag...Vip Mumbai Call Girls Navi Mumbai Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massag...
Vip Mumbai Call Girls Navi Mumbai Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massag...amitlee9823
 
Top Rated Call Girls Navi Mumbai : 9920725232 We offer Beautiful and sexy Cal...
Top Rated Call Girls Navi Mumbai : 9920725232 We offer Beautiful and sexy Cal...Top Rated Call Girls Navi Mumbai : 9920725232 We offer Beautiful and sexy Cal...
Top Rated Call Girls Navi Mumbai : 9920725232 We offer Beautiful and sexy Cal...amitlee9823
 
ELECTRICITÉ TMT 55.pdf electrick diagram manitout
ELECTRICITÉ TMT 55.pdf electrick diagram manitoutELECTRICITÉ TMT 55.pdf electrick diagram manitout
ELECTRICITÉ TMT 55.pdf electrick diagram manitoutssjews46
 
BOOK FARIDABAD CALL GIRL(VIP Sunny Leone) @8168257667 BOOK 24/7
BOOK FARIDABAD CALL GIRL(VIP Sunny Leone) @8168257667 BOOK  24/7BOOK FARIDABAD CALL GIRL(VIP Sunny Leone) @8168257667 BOOK  24/7
BOOK FARIDABAD CALL GIRL(VIP Sunny Leone) @8168257667 BOOK 24/7Hyderabad Escorts Agency
 
Call Girls in Malviya Nagar Delhi 💯 Call Us 🔝9205541914 🔝( Delhi) Escorts Ser...
Call Girls in Malviya Nagar Delhi 💯 Call Us 🔝9205541914 🔝( Delhi) Escorts Ser...Call Girls in Malviya Nagar Delhi 💯 Call Us 🔝9205541914 🔝( Delhi) Escorts Ser...
Call Girls in Malviya Nagar Delhi 💯 Call Us 🔝9205541914 🔝( Delhi) Escorts Ser...Delhi Call girls
 
Top Rated Call Girls South Mumbai : 9920725232 We offer Beautiful and sexy Ca...
Top Rated Call Girls South Mumbai : 9920725232 We offer Beautiful and sexy Ca...Top Rated Call Girls South Mumbai : 9920725232 We offer Beautiful and sexy Ca...
Top Rated Call Girls South Mumbai : 9920725232 We offer Beautiful and sexy Ca...amitlee9823
 
Vip Mumbai Call Girls Colaba Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massage wit...
Vip Mumbai Call Girls Colaba Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massage wit...Vip Mumbai Call Girls Colaba Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massage wit...
Vip Mumbai Call Girls Colaba Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massage wit...amitlee9823
 
Vip Mumbai Call Girls Mumbai Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massage wit...
Vip Mumbai Call Girls Mumbai Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massage wit...Vip Mumbai Call Girls Mumbai Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massage wit...
Vip Mumbai Call Girls Mumbai Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massage wit...amitlee9823
 
Bangalore Call Girls: 🍓 7737669865 🍓 High Profile Model Escorts | Bangalore E...
Bangalore Call Girls: 🍓 7737669865 🍓 High Profile Model Escorts | Bangalore E...Bangalore Call Girls: 🍓 7737669865 🍓 High Profile Model Escorts | Bangalore E...
Bangalore Call Girls: 🍓 7737669865 🍓 High Profile Model Escorts | Bangalore E...amitlee9823
 
Lecture-20 Kleene’s Theorem-1.pptx best for understanding the automata
Lecture-20 Kleene’s Theorem-1.pptx best for understanding the automataLecture-20 Kleene’s Theorem-1.pptx best for understanding the automata
Lecture-20 Kleene’s Theorem-1.pptx best for understanding the automataHUSNAINAHMAD39
 
如何办理(NCL毕业证书)纽卡斯尔大学毕业证毕业证成绩单原版一比一
如何办理(NCL毕业证书)纽卡斯尔大学毕业证毕业证成绩单原版一比一如何办理(NCL毕业证书)纽卡斯尔大学毕业证毕业证成绩单原版一比一
如何办理(NCL毕业证书)纽卡斯尔大学毕业证毕业证成绩单原版一比一avy6anjnd
 
Is Your Volvo XC90 Displaying Anti-Skid Service Required Alert Here's Why
Is Your Volvo XC90 Displaying Anti-Skid Service Required Alert Here's WhyIs Your Volvo XC90 Displaying Anti-Skid Service Required Alert Here's Why
Is Your Volvo XC90 Displaying Anti-Skid Service Required Alert Here's WhyBavarium Autoworks
 
8377087607, Door Step Call Girls In Majnu Ka Tilla (Delhi) 24/7 Available
8377087607, Door Step Call Girls In Majnu Ka Tilla (Delhi) 24/7 Available8377087607, Door Step Call Girls In Majnu Ka Tilla (Delhi) 24/7 Available
8377087607, Door Step Call Girls In Majnu Ka Tilla (Delhi) 24/7 Availabledollysharma2066
 
➥🔝 7737669865 🔝▻ Bhiwandi Call-girls in Women Seeking Men 🔝Bhiwandi🔝 Escor...
➥🔝 7737669865 🔝▻ Bhiwandi Call-girls in Women Seeking Men  🔝Bhiwandi🔝   Escor...➥🔝 7737669865 🔝▻ Bhiwandi Call-girls in Women Seeking Men  🔝Bhiwandi🔝   Escor...
➥🔝 7737669865 🔝▻ Bhiwandi Call-girls in Women Seeking Men 🔝Bhiwandi🔝 Escor...amitlee9823
 
Connaught Place, Delhi Call girls :8448380779 Model Escorts | 100% verified
Connaught Place, Delhi Call girls :8448380779 Model Escorts | 100% verifiedConnaught Place, Delhi Call girls :8448380779 Model Escorts | 100% verified
Connaught Place, Delhi Call girls :8448380779 Model Escorts | 100% verifiedDelhi Call girls
 
➥🔝 7737669865 🔝▻ pathankot Call-girls in Women Seeking Men 🔝pathankot🔝 Esc...
➥🔝 7737669865 🔝▻ pathankot Call-girls in Women Seeking Men  🔝pathankot🔝   Esc...➥🔝 7737669865 🔝▻ pathankot Call-girls in Women Seeking Men  🔝pathankot🔝   Esc...
➥🔝 7737669865 🔝▻ pathankot Call-girls in Women Seeking Men 🔝pathankot🔝 Esc...nirzagarg
 
FULL NIGHT — 9999894380 Call Girls In Jagat Puri | Delhi
FULL NIGHT — 9999894380 Call Girls In Jagat Puri | DelhiFULL NIGHT — 9999894380 Call Girls In Jagat Puri | Delhi
FULL NIGHT — 9999894380 Call Girls In Jagat Puri | DelhiSaketCallGirlsCallUs
 

Último (20)

Vip Mumbai Call Girls Navi Mumbai Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massag...
Vip Mumbai Call Girls Navi Mumbai Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massag...Vip Mumbai Call Girls Navi Mumbai Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massag...
Vip Mumbai Call Girls Navi Mumbai Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massag...
 
Top Rated Call Girls Navi Mumbai : 9920725232 We offer Beautiful and sexy Cal...
Top Rated Call Girls Navi Mumbai : 9920725232 We offer Beautiful and sexy Cal...Top Rated Call Girls Navi Mumbai : 9920725232 We offer Beautiful and sexy Cal...
Top Rated Call Girls Navi Mumbai : 9920725232 We offer Beautiful and sexy Cal...
 
ELECTRICITÉ TMT 55.pdf electrick diagram manitout
ELECTRICITÉ TMT 55.pdf electrick diagram manitoutELECTRICITÉ TMT 55.pdf electrick diagram manitout
ELECTRICITÉ TMT 55.pdf electrick diagram manitout
 
BOOK FARIDABAD CALL GIRL(VIP Sunny Leone) @8168257667 BOOK 24/7
BOOK FARIDABAD CALL GIRL(VIP Sunny Leone) @8168257667 BOOK  24/7BOOK FARIDABAD CALL GIRL(VIP Sunny Leone) @8168257667 BOOK  24/7
BOOK FARIDABAD CALL GIRL(VIP Sunny Leone) @8168257667 BOOK 24/7
 
Call Girls in Malviya Nagar Delhi 💯 Call Us 🔝9205541914 🔝( Delhi) Escorts Ser...
Call Girls in Malviya Nagar Delhi 💯 Call Us 🔝9205541914 🔝( Delhi) Escorts Ser...Call Girls in Malviya Nagar Delhi 💯 Call Us 🔝9205541914 🔝( Delhi) Escorts Ser...
Call Girls in Malviya Nagar Delhi 💯 Call Us 🔝9205541914 🔝( Delhi) Escorts Ser...
 
Top Rated Call Girls South Mumbai : 9920725232 We offer Beautiful and sexy Ca...
Top Rated Call Girls South Mumbai : 9920725232 We offer Beautiful and sexy Ca...Top Rated Call Girls South Mumbai : 9920725232 We offer Beautiful and sexy Ca...
Top Rated Call Girls South Mumbai : 9920725232 We offer Beautiful and sexy Ca...
 
Vip Mumbai Call Girls Colaba Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massage wit...
Vip Mumbai Call Girls Colaba Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massage wit...Vip Mumbai Call Girls Colaba Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massage wit...
Vip Mumbai Call Girls Colaba Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massage wit...
 
Vip Mumbai Call Girls Mumbai Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massage wit...
Vip Mumbai Call Girls Mumbai Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massage wit...Vip Mumbai Call Girls Mumbai Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massage wit...
Vip Mumbai Call Girls Mumbai Call On 9920725232 With Body to body massage wit...
 
Bangalore Call Girls: 🍓 7737669865 🍓 High Profile Model Escorts | Bangalore E...
Bangalore Call Girls: 🍓 7737669865 🍓 High Profile Model Escorts | Bangalore E...Bangalore Call Girls: 🍓 7737669865 🍓 High Profile Model Escorts | Bangalore E...
Bangalore Call Girls: 🍓 7737669865 🍓 High Profile Model Escorts | Bangalore E...
 
(INDIRA) Call Girl Surat Call Now 8250077686 Surat Escorts 24x7
(INDIRA) Call Girl Surat Call Now 8250077686 Surat Escorts 24x7(INDIRA) Call Girl Surat Call Now 8250077686 Surat Escorts 24x7
(INDIRA) Call Girl Surat Call Now 8250077686 Surat Escorts 24x7
 
Lecture-20 Kleene’s Theorem-1.pptx best for understanding the automata
Lecture-20 Kleene’s Theorem-1.pptx best for understanding the automataLecture-20 Kleene’s Theorem-1.pptx best for understanding the automata
Lecture-20 Kleene’s Theorem-1.pptx best for understanding the automata
 
如何办理(NCL毕业证书)纽卡斯尔大学毕业证毕业证成绩单原版一比一
如何办理(NCL毕业证书)纽卡斯尔大学毕业证毕业证成绩单原版一比一如何办理(NCL毕业证书)纽卡斯尔大学毕业证毕业证成绩单原版一比一
如何办理(NCL毕业证书)纽卡斯尔大学毕业证毕业证成绩单原版一比一
 
Is Your Volvo XC90 Displaying Anti-Skid Service Required Alert Here's Why
Is Your Volvo XC90 Displaying Anti-Skid Service Required Alert Here's WhyIs Your Volvo XC90 Displaying Anti-Skid Service Required Alert Here's Why
Is Your Volvo XC90 Displaying Anti-Skid Service Required Alert Here's Why
 
8377087607, Door Step Call Girls In Majnu Ka Tilla (Delhi) 24/7 Available
8377087607, Door Step Call Girls In Majnu Ka Tilla (Delhi) 24/7 Available8377087607, Door Step Call Girls In Majnu Ka Tilla (Delhi) 24/7 Available
8377087607, Door Step Call Girls In Majnu Ka Tilla (Delhi) 24/7 Available
 
➥🔝 7737669865 🔝▻ Bhiwandi Call-girls in Women Seeking Men 🔝Bhiwandi🔝 Escor...
➥🔝 7737669865 🔝▻ Bhiwandi Call-girls in Women Seeking Men  🔝Bhiwandi🔝   Escor...➥🔝 7737669865 🔝▻ Bhiwandi Call-girls in Women Seeking Men  🔝Bhiwandi🔝   Escor...
➥🔝 7737669865 🔝▻ Bhiwandi Call-girls in Women Seeking Men 🔝Bhiwandi🔝 Escor...
 
Connaught Place, Delhi Call girls :8448380779 Model Escorts | 100% verified
Connaught Place, Delhi Call girls :8448380779 Model Escorts | 100% verifiedConnaught Place, Delhi Call girls :8448380779 Model Escorts | 100% verified
Connaught Place, Delhi Call girls :8448380779 Model Escorts | 100% verified
 
➥🔝 7737669865 🔝▻ pathankot Call-girls in Women Seeking Men 🔝pathankot🔝 Esc...
➥🔝 7737669865 🔝▻ pathankot Call-girls in Women Seeking Men  🔝pathankot🔝   Esc...➥🔝 7737669865 🔝▻ pathankot Call-girls in Women Seeking Men  🔝pathankot🔝   Esc...
➥🔝 7737669865 🔝▻ pathankot Call-girls in Women Seeking Men 🔝pathankot🔝 Esc...
 
Stay Cool and Compliant: Know Your Window Tint Laws Before You Tint
Stay Cool and Compliant: Know Your Window Tint Laws Before You TintStay Cool and Compliant: Know Your Window Tint Laws Before You Tint
Stay Cool and Compliant: Know Your Window Tint Laws Before You Tint
 
FULL NIGHT — 9999894380 Call Girls In Jagat Puri | Delhi
FULL NIGHT — 9999894380 Call Girls In Jagat Puri | DelhiFULL NIGHT — 9999894380 Call Girls In Jagat Puri | Delhi
FULL NIGHT — 9999894380 Call Girls In Jagat Puri | Delhi
 
(ISHITA) Call Girls Service Jammu Call Now 8617697112 Jammu Escorts 24x7
(ISHITA) Call Girls Service Jammu Call Now 8617697112 Jammu Escorts 24x7(ISHITA) Call Girls Service Jammu Call Now 8617697112 Jammu Escorts 24x7
(ISHITA) Call Girls Service Jammu Call Now 8617697112 Jammu Escorts 24x7
 

Mazda Rx7 Ignition Operation

  • 1. De-Mystifying Mazda RX-7 Ignition Operation, John Thornton, Underhood Service, October 1998 • Rotary Engine Principles • G & Ne Signals • Poorly Idling '88 RX-7 • Finding TDC The Mazda RX-7 is an infrequent visitor to our shop. On average, we may see three to five of these vehicles a year for driveability concerns. It used to be that much of our diagnostic time was spent re-learning the engine's support systems such as fuel, emissions and especially the ignition system. I can still remember carefully studying crowded ignition schematics while trying to determine what wire goes where and what its purpose was. This month's Diagnostic Dilemmas will try to explain the Mazda RX-7's ignition system operation, and how the ignition systems (yes, systems - these vehicles have two) can be evaluated in an efficient manner. We'll focus on late 1980s and early 1990s RX-7s. Rotary Engine Principles [go to top] The best place to start this discussion is with a review of rotary engine principles. As you know, there are two rotors in each rotary engine. Each triangularly shaped rotor has three faces, or three combustion area surfaces. Each face of the rotor goes through an intake event, a compression event, a power event and an exhaust event. Therefore, in one revolution of a rotor, each rotor face has gone through all four events (intake, compression, power and exhaust). Said another way, there are three power events, or pulses, in one rotor revolution. Here's where things get interesting. Each rotor is turned by an eccentric shaft; we can call it a crankshaft. See Figure 1. The eccentric shaft has two offset eccentrics (one for each rotor) mounted 180 degrees apart. This shaft allows the rotors to move in the shape of an epitrochoidal curve.
  • 2. Figure 3 does a nice job of showing the relationship of the two rotors and how they go though the four combustion events. What does this all mean? Let's summarize with some key pieces of information. • In one rotor revolution, there are three firing events or power pulses. • The eccentric shaft makes three revolutions for every rotor revolution. This means the eccentric shaft rotates three times faster than the rotor. This allows the rotors to follow the shape of an
  • 3. epitrochoidal curve. • In a two-rotor engine, the eccentric shaft rotates through three revolutions (1080 degrees) for six firing events or power pulses. Therefore, and this is important, in one eccentric shaft (crank) revolution, an ignition event occurs every 180 crank degrees. • The front rotor leads the rear rotor by 60 rotor degrees or 180 eccentric (crank) shaft degrees. The above information becomes important when we start to examine the relationships between ignition signals. We also know that each rotor has two spark plugs: a leading plug and a trailing plug. The leading spark plug fires at 5 degrees ATDC and the trailing spark plug fires at 20 degrees ATDC. This 15-degree difference at the crank translates into 5 degrees at the rotor. Do you remember why? The crank turns at a 3:1 ratio to the rotor. The purpose of the trailing spark plug is to continue the burn for more complete combustion and reduced emissions. The leading plug is the lower plug in each housing, and the trailing plug is the top plug in each housing. Fortunately, each plug hole is marked with an "L" or a "T." Starting in 1986, a crank angle sensor replaced the distributor. The crank angle sensor looks like a distributor, but instead of a cap with wires at the top, it has a removable inspection plate. Because of the crank angle sensor and loss of the distributor cap and rotor, these ignition systems are known as distributorless.
  • 4. Our next step in understanding this system is to review the schematic. Figure 4 is a partial schematic from an RX-7. What is not shown are the crank angle sensor inputs. However, Figure 4 shows all the wires between both igniters (leading and trailing) and the PCM. We can see that there are four wires connected between the igniters and the PCM, but what are their functions? How are the coils connected to the igniters? These are just some of the questions I've asked myself when troubleshooting these systems. Let's simplify and continue. G & Ne Signals [go to top] Figure 5 is a much simplified schematic. The G and Ne pick-up coils are located inside of the crank angle sensor. Their output is sent directly to the PCM. IgT is the ignition timing signal (trigger) sent to the igniters from the PCM. The igniters will not toggle the primary without this signal. The leading coil (mounted in the LF corner of the engine compartment) is a true distributorless coil. Both leading plugs fire together, even though the rotors are 60 rotor degrees apart or 180 crank degrees apart. The two trailing coils are mounted in the LR corner of the engine compartment. This is not a typical distributorless system. You'll notice that there is only one IgT signal sent to the trailing igniter from the PCM. Well, how does the trailing igniter know when to fire each coil with only one signal? That is the purpose of the Select signal. The Select signal tells the trailing igniter which coil to fire. We'll see how, shortly.
  • 5. We will now look at these signals in more detail and we'll study some problems I've come across with these engines. If you were to remove the inspection plate or cover of the crank angle sensor, you would see two teeth at the very top and 24 teeth just below the top two. The two-tooth reluctor provides the G signal, which is rotor position information. The 24-tooth trailing coil firing reluctor provides the Ne signal, which is rpm information and trailing-coil firing synch. Like a conventional distributor, the crank angle sensor turns at half crank speed. One crank angle sensor degree is equal to two crankshaft degrees, since the crank turns twice as fast. Known good G and Ne signals are shown in Figure 6. Channel 1 is Ne. Ne frequency is approximately 12 times as fast as G. This should make sense, since G produces two signals to Ne's 24 signals per crank angle sensor revolution. These signals were captured at approximately 1,360 rpm. Poorly Idling '88 RX-7 [go to top] What do you think is going on in Figure 7? Something doesn't look right, does it? When the inspection plate was removed on this crank angle sensor, I discovered one chipped tooth on G and two chipped and slightly bent teeth on Ne. I'm not sure how this happened, but I suspect someone was trying to adjust something with a screwdriver. This pattern is from a 1988 non-turbo RX-7 with about 82,000 miles. It had a very poor idle, and the engine acted like it had a miss under load. Both G and Ne are critical inputs; they should be checked if one suspects primary problems or injector trigger problems.
  • 6. Figure 8 compares a leading ignition primary to IgT. Notice when the 0-5 volts IgT pulse goes low, primary dwell ends and the coil fires. For every IgT pulse sent to the leading igniter, the coil will fire. This is a very good way to evaluate the leading igniter's performance. (Compare input to output.) By the way, the leading ignition system is critical for performance. You can disable the trailing ignition system and the engine will start and run. As a matter of fact, based on my testing, there won't be any performance concerns with it disconnected. So, if you suspect an ignition issue, focus on the leading system.
  • 7. But, since the trailing system is important for emissions reduction, it should be tested for proper performance. A few paragraphs ago, I briefly mentioned the Select signal used by the trailing igniter. Fifteen crank degrees after the leading plug fires, the trailing plug will fire. How does this igniter know which trailing primary coil to fire? There is only one IgT signal for two coils. The Select signal sent from the PCM to the trailing igniter determines which primary (trailing plug #1 or trailing plug #2) will fire. Please study Figures 9 and 10. Figure 9 compares the primary of trailing coil #1 to the 0-5 volt Select signal. Figure 10 compares the primary of trailing coil #2 to the 0-5 volt Select signal. What is different between these two? Focus on the Select
  • 8. signal. Trailing primary #1 fires when the Select signal goes from 0 to 5 volts, while trailing primary #2 fires when the Select signal goes from 5 to 0 volts. So while there is only one IgT signal for both coils, the trailing igniter knows which coil to fire based on the rising or falling edge of the Select signal. Certainly, an interesting and unique approach. Finally, the last trailing igniter signal to discuss is IgF. This is a feedback signal from the trailing igniter to the PCM. IgF is only produced when trailing primary #l fires. There must be actual primary firing! Figure 11 shows IgF on channel 1 and trailing primary #1 on channel 2. Look okay? Well, this about wraps things up, or does it...? Take a close look at that primary pattern in Figure 11. What is going on in that spark line? Figure 12 will give you a better view. Have you ever seen a
  • 9. spark line look like that? About 1 msec into the spark line, extreme turbulence seems to occur, lasting for about 0.8 msec, and the spark line remains flat. Both trailing primaries have the same pattern. The leading primaries look normal. Overall engine performance was very poor. I have only seen this pattern twice, and both vehicles were RX-7s. The cause: retarded ignition timing due to improper crank angle sensor position. Finding TDC [go to top] Now this next discussion is a real diagnostic dilemma. Properly installing a crank angle sensor is pretty straightforward. The eccentric shaft (crank) marks are first lined up, and a mark on the crank angle sensor driven gear is aligned to the crank angle sensor housing. The crank angle sensor is then slid into its bore in the engine. Everything seemed to be okay. But with the engine running, idle quality and performance could drastically be improved by advancing (turning clockwise) the crank angle sensor. If I advanced the crank angle sensor's position by one tooth, performance was better. A few phone calls to a tech line, two Mazda experts and a little research said I needed to find TDC. With a new TDC identified, I installed the crank angle sensor. Did it work? I'll let Figure 13 answer that question. Figure 13 is the trailing primary #1 pattern. The spark line is back to normal, as is engine performance. As I mentioned, I've run into this situation twice. I'm still not sure what causes the timing to change in the first place. It must be something in the engine, but what? Well, I hope I've shed some light on these very interesting ignition systems. While most of us may not see these vehicles regularly, it can be very helpful to have a good understanding of how known good ones work. This knowledge can reduce our diagnostic time drastically. Good luck in your own Diagnostic Dilemmas! Here is the procedure I used:
  • 10. 1. Remove both rear rotor spark plugs. 2. Rotate the crank until you can see an apex seal (tip of the rotor) in the trailing spark hole. The trailing plug hole is restricted, making the seal somewhat difficult to see. Use a flexible light and a mirror. When the seal is seen, mark the crank. 3. Rotate the crank until you see the same apex seal in the leading spark plug hole. This plug hole is not restricted, which makes it easy to see the seal. Mark the crank. 4. Halfway between your two marks is TDC for the front rotor (#1) rotor.